Anger at blue badge disabled parking budget plans

Kidderminster Shuttle: 'Council will lose out': Mark Lawley. 'Council will lose out': Mark Lawley.

DISABLED drivers will park on double yellow lines or not come into Kidderminster town centre if blue badge holders lose their concessions, according to a campaign leader.

Mark Lawley, chairman of Disability Action Wyre Forest, warned plans to remove free parking at Wyre Forest District Council car parks to save money could backfire if those affected turned their backs on the town.

The controversial proposal was approved at a full council meeting last week as part of the 2014/15 budget in a bid to increase council income.

Council leader, Conservative councillor John Campion, told the meeting drivers parked expensive cars using blue badges and many could afford to pay charges.

He added a “safeguard ” would be set up to protect those who could not afford to pay.

Mr Lawley told The Shuttle : “They [the administration] look at everything as pounds and pence rather than a person’s need. They think someone has a big car but do not look at ‘do they need a carer?’, for example.”

He said many disabled people had to drive to get to town and many would have parked in several different places during the same trip to get to different parts of Kidderminster.

“I cannot see the council making much money out of it – I would just go and park on double yellow lines or not bother going into town,” he added. “What they claim they would make in sav- ings, they would lose out on people using their car parks.”

Blue badge holders are entitled to park on double yellow lines for a maximum of three hours.

Independent Aggborough and Spennells councillor John Aston said a number of concerned residents had contacted him about the proposals.

“How wrong have the council got this? Anyone who has got a blue badge should be able to park for free in Wyre Forest,” he added.

The proposals were part of the 2014/15 budget package approved by 25 votes, from Conservative and Liberal and Independent group councillors, to 15, from Independent Community and Health Concern (ICHC) and Labour politicians.

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8:30am Thu 5 Dec 13

bearchest says...

what a joke never heard such a stupid thing a lot of the people who have the big posh cars as they are called because they get those cars from motabiltiy it is just and insult to anyone with disabilities it is a disgrace
what a joke never heard such a stupid thing a lot of the people who have the big posh cars as they are called because they get those cars from motabiltiy it is just and insult to anyone with disabilities it is a disgrace bearchest

9:09am Thu 5 Dec 13

Craig Bateman says...

Protecting the vulnerable, and supporting them to lead an active life has to be one of top prioroties - charging them to access facilities that enable them to do so has to be questioned before contended. How about public consultation?
Protecting the vulnerable, and supporting them to lead an active life has to be one of top prioroties - charging them to access facilities that enable them to do so has to be questioned before contended. How about public consultation? Craig Bateman

9:30am Thu 5 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

I am one of the biggest critics of the Tory admin at Wyre Forest. I am a disabled person, have a mobility car and disabled pass. I also receive benefits from the government to assist me- although I know from personal experience these are being eroded. HOWEVER, why should I not pay? I have a mobility vehicle - not big and flash- but it costs me NOTHING to run except petrol- other people on benefits and at work have to use their income to park, why shouldn't we? What I do require, is sufficient parking spaces as a disabled person to give me ease o access to shops etc. Sorry Mark but this is one disabled person you are not talking for I am afraid. If my having to pay a quid to park helps to save facilities for children etc in the District then fine. After all most of us receive Council Tax rebate, 100% in most cases, so we do not contribute to the costs of the local authority, so I for one do not begrudge a penny.
I am one of the biggest critics of the Tory admin at Wyre Forest. I am a disabled person, have a mobility car and disabled pass. I also receive benefits from the government to assist me- although I know from personal experience these are being eroded. HOWEVER, why should I not pay? I have a mobility vehicle - not big and flash- but it costs me NOTHING to run except petrol- other people on benefits and at work have to use their income to park, why shouldn't we? What I do require, is sufficient parking spaces as a disabled person to give me ease o access to shops etc. Sorry Mark but this is one disabled person you are not talking for I am afraid. If my having to pay a quid to park helps to save facilities for children etc in the District then fine. After all most of us receive Council Tax rebate, 100% in most cases, so we do not contribute to the costs of the local authority, so I for one do not begrudge a penny. kidderlord

10:56am Thu 5 Dec 13

the batshake says...

Kidderlord. I'm alright jack.
Kidderlord. I'm alright jack. the batshake

11:44am Thu 5 Dec 13

GlenFiddick says...

Nothing is stopping you paying at the present , kidderlord.....but I bet you don't.
Nothing is stopping you paying at the present , kidderlord.....but I bet you don't. GlenFiddick

12:11pm Thu 5 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

How about Mr Campion & colleagues all start taking less from the council budget in terms of the amount they pay themselves. Mr Campion is a career politician and draws a very decent collective salary from both councils all of which come from the council budget.
If you are going to take it from this section of the public then lead by example.
The nasty party is alive & kicking.
How about Mr Campion & colleagues all start taking less from the council budget in terms of the amount they pay themselves. Mr Campion is a career politician and draws a very decent collective salary from both councils all of which come from the council budget. If you are going to take it from this section of the public then lead by example. The nasty party is alive & kicking. emjaypee

12:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kunuty says...

Any one who has ever had a bad foot,sprained ankle ,etc knows these people need all the help they get
Any one who has ever had a bad foot,sprained ankle ,etc knows these people need all the help they get kunuty

1:01pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Stephen Brown says...

As ever we witness the ridiculous assertions of WFDC leader John Campion on who is and isn't needy as he sits back and enjoys his own taxpayer funded lifestyle as a career politician - just how much is it you earn now John in your various roles? No sign of you giving any of that up I note.

Removing the disabled parking concession for disabled drivers is an outrage in my view, almost as outrageous as John Campion's attempt to justify it. But then he is and always will be out of touch while he lives in the lap of taxpayer funded luxury making him as remote as ever from the people he is supposed to serve.

WFDC need to reverse this appalling decision and I hope enough public pressure is applied to make the guilty councillor's responsible regret this folly. If we judge our society by how we treat the vulnerable, this whole saga is a sorry indictment.
As ever we witness the ridiculous assertions of WFDC leader John Campion on who is and isn't needy as he sits back and enjoys his own taxpayer funded lifestyle as a career politician - just how much is it you earn now John in your various roles? No sign of you giving any of that up I note. Removing the disabled parking concession for disabled drivers is an outrage in my view, almost as outrageous as John Campion's attempt to justify it. But then he is and always will be out of touch while he lives in the lap of taxpayer funded luxury making him as remote as ever from the people he is supposed to serve. WFDC need to reverse this appalling decision and I hope enough public pressure is applied to make the guilty councillor's responsible regret this folly. If we judge our society by how we treat the vulnerable, this whole saga is a sorry indictment. Stephen Brown

2:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

walkerno5 says...

Surely that there are wealthy disabled people who can afford to pay is an argument for making sure that more council tax is paid by the wealthy than the poor - not an argument for distinguishing between the similar needs to be able to park.
Surely that there are wealthy disabled people who can afford to pay is an argument for making sure that more council tax is paid by the wealthy than the poor - not an argument for distinguishing between the similar needs to be able to park. walkerno5

4:34pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

the batshake wrote:
Kidderlord. I'm alright jack.
no im not all right but I believe in fairness
[quote][p][bold]the batshake[/bold] wrote: Kidderlord. I'm alright jack.[/p][/quote]no im not all right but I believe in fairness kidderlord

4:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

GlenFiddick wrote:
Nothing is stopping you paying at the present , kidderlord.....but I bet you don't.
actually you are so wrong - I park usually at the swan centre where you have to pay.
[quote][p][bold]GlenFiddick[/bold] wrote: Nothing is stopping you paying at the present , kidderlord.....but I bet you don't.[/p][/quote]actually you are so wrong - I park usually at the swan centre where you have to pay. kidderlord

4:41pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

Can someone really tell me why a disabled person can not pay-a lot work full time. A lot is done to help disabled people, and quite rightly, but how does saving a pound when you do shopping like able bodied people make us worse off.
Can someone really tell me why a disabled person can not pay-a lot work full time. A lot is done to help disabled people, and quite rightly, but how does saving a pound when you do shopping like able bodied people make us worse off. kidderlord

5:20pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BewdleyBugle says...

kidderlord wrote:
Can someone really tell me why a disabled person can not pay-a lot work full time. A lot is done to help disabled people, and quite rightly, but how does saving a pound when you do shopping like able bodied people make us worse off.
Perhaps because disabled people are twice as likely to live in low income households as the rest of the population. Or perhaps it's because, for some disabled people, they are more reliant on their own vehicles to remain mobile. Or perhaps it's just because some of us want to live in a society where we look after each other, wherever possible, without considering their willingness to pay.
[quote][p][bold]kidderlord[/bold] wrote: Can someone really tell me why a disabled person can not pay-a lot work full time. A lot is done to help disabled people, and quite rightly, but how does saving a pound when you do shopping like able bodied people make us worse off.[/p][/quote]Perhaps because disabled people are twice as likely to live in low income households as the rest of the population. Or perhaps it's because, for some disabled people, they are more reliant on their own vehicles to remain mobile. Or perhaps it's just because some of us want to live in a society where we look after each other, wherever possible, without considering their willingness to pay. BewdleyBugle

10:10pm Thu 5 Dec 13

kidderlord says...

still no convincing argument just e3motional clap trap.... I AM disabled.. I am on benefits.. MY benefits HAVE been cut... but I don't mind paying for parking when I need to. And for that matter the woman in the 63 reg Mercedes 4x4 cost £50000 in the disabled bay next to me yesterday could afford to as well.
still no convincing argument just e3motional clap trap.... I AM disabled.. I am on benefits.. MY benefits HAVE been cut... but I don't mind paying for parking when I need to. And for that matter the woman in the 63 reg Mercedes 4x4 cost £50000 in the disabled bay next to me yesterday could afford to as well. kidderlord

10:39am Fri 6 Dec 13

the batshake says...

Kidderlord I fear you are missing the point, this is the thin end of the wedge.
Kidderlord I fear you are missing the point, this is the thin end of the wedge. the batshake

12:08pm Fri 6 Dec 13

conmaise says...

maybe doubling or tripling the fine for people who illegally park in a disabled bay when they don't have a blue badge could make up the shortfall . . . . . .
maybe doubling or tripling the fine for people who illegally park in a disabled bay when they don't have a blue badge could make up the shortfall . . . . . . conmaise

12:10pm Fri 6 Dec 13

walkerno5 says...

"Can someone really tell me why a disabled person can not pay-a lot work full time. A lot is done to help disabled people, and quite rightly, but how does saving a pound when you do shopping like able bodied people make us worse off."

I see your point to some extent.

The killer argument for me is that if you are disabled and need to visit several parts of the town on the same day, you are likely to need to move your car and park several times - being unable to walk the distances between. In this instance, it would seem unfair to make you pay several times. There are other ways around that, having tickets that are universal across all council car parks for instance, but given the current set up, the only way to remove that degree of disadvantage is to keep parking free.

Also, and this may or may not be the case depending on which car park you go to, but are the pay machines actually accessible for people in a wheelchair for example? Is making them accessible going to cost more than the revenue potentially raised?
"Can someone really tell me why a disabled person can not pay-a lot work full time. A lot is done to help disabled people, and quite rightly, but how does saving a pound when you do shopping like able bodied people make us worse off." I see your point to some extent. The killer argument for me is that if you are disabled and need to visit several parts of the town on the same day, you are likely to need to move your car and park several times - being unable to walk the distances between. In this instance, it would seem unfair to make you pay several times. There are other ways around that, having tickets that are universal across all council car parks for instance, but given the current set up, the only way to remove that degree of disadvantage is to keep parking free. Also, and this may or may not be the case depending on which car park you go to, but are the pay machines actually accessible for people in a wheelchair for example? Is making them accessible going to cost more than the revenue potentially raised? walkerno5

12:25pm Fri 6 Dec 13

tuttfeet says...

Putting aside the financial drain on a blue badge holder's limited purse; imposing charges over what was traditionally deemed as help for person with mobility difficulties is essentially incorrect. By compelling someone who has difficulty walking to wander around a car park searching for a meter that accepts change( when many are often out of order) you have a scenario as outdated as bull-baiting. Many of the official blue-badge spaces with wheelchair access (& near to meters) are over used by some folks who seem to require no walking aids whatsoever pushing ones who do use mobility equipment further into car park & further away from the meters. How do the people who devised this new rule explain the benefit of this?
Putting aside the financial drain on a blue badge holder's limited purse; imposing charges over what was traditionally deemed as help for person with mobility difficulties is essentially incorrect. By compelling someone who has difficulty walking to wander around a car park searching for a meter that accepts change( when many are often out of order) you have a scenario as outdated as bull-baiting. Many of the official blue-badge spaces with wheelchair access (& near to meters) are over used by some folks who seem to require no walking aids whatsoever pushing ones who do use mobility equipment further into car park & further away from the meters. How do the people who devised this new rule explain the benefit of this? tuttfeet

4:35pm Fri 6 Dec 13

GlenFiddick says...

I agree tuttfeet. Having to seek out a ticket machine is ok for abled people but for someone with limited mobility is literally a pain. The case in point is Kiddy hospital car park...fine, you can park near the entrance but you have to walk halfway across the car park (in the opposite direction) to get a ticket.
And let's not forget that you have to pay for a blue badge now : double whammy.
I agree tuttfeet. Having to seek out a ticket machine is ok for abled people but for someone with limited mobility is literally a pain. The case in point is Kiddy hospital car park...fine, you can park near the entrance but you have to walk halfway across the car park (in the opposite direction) to get a ticket. And let's not forget that you have to pay for a blue badge now : double whammy. GlenFiddick

8:23pm Fri 6 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

The news article cites that this was "approved at full council". Does that mean that all parties, Tory, Labour, Health Concern, Liberals and Independents have voted this through? Let's hear from them and set the record straight.
Or will their silence be deafening.
The news article cites that this was "approved at full council". Does that mean that all parties, Tory, Labour, Health Concern, Liberals and Independents have voted this through? Let's hear from them and set the record straight. Or will their silence be deafening. emjaypee

9:57am Sat 7 Dec 13

Primrose Coley says...

John Campion, and all you councillors who voted for these charges should be ashamed. How does John Campion justify his comment, " drivers park expensive cars using blue badges and many could afford to pay charges". Did he organise a means test, or is this a blatant assumption on his part?
Many disabled car owners - note I didn't use the word drivers here - need expensive cars for their size alone. One obvious reason Mr Campion is the need to stow a wheelchair, which in the case of the electric variety, cannot be folded down easily, if at all. The disabled person often needs the assistance of a carer/driver too.
I also note John Campion's remark pertaining to a "safeguard" being set up to protect those who could not afford to pay. Why was this not discussed and put in place when the loss of blue badge concessions was agreed by the full council meeting last week. How will this be implemented? Why the secrecy and vagueness of this announcement. Come on, let's have it out in the open. Will it happen or wont it? Or is it just a throw away "safeguard" which will never happen?
One more thing before I go....... all those who voted for this latest unfair cut, should be forced to experience life in a disabled person's shoes (wheelchair) parking a vehicle and unloading said wheelchair, then wheeling themselves from the car park to the shops. Expensive car or not, I bet not one of you councillors would swap your mobility for a wheelchair.
John Campion, and all you councillors who voted for these charges should be ashamed. How does John Campion justify his comment, " drivers park expensive cars using blue badges and many could afford to pay charges". Did he organise a means test, or is this a blatant assumption on his part? Many disabled car owners - note I didn't use the word drivers here - need expensive cars for their size alone. One obvious reason Mr Campion is the need to stow a wheelchair, which in the case of the electric variety, cannot be folded down easily, if at all. The disabled person often needs the assistance of a carer/driver too. I also note John Campion's remark pertaining to a "safeguard" being set up to protect those who could not afford to pay. Why was this not discussed and put in place when the loss of blue badge concessions was agreed by the full council meeting last week. How will this be implemented? Why the secrecy and vagueness of this announcement. Come on, let's have it out in the open. Will it happen or wont it? Or is it just a throw away "safeguard" which will never happen? One more thing before I go....... all those who voted for this latest unfair cut, should be forced to experience life in a disabled person's shoes (wheelchair) parking a vehicle and unloading said wheelchair, then wheeling themselves from the car park to the shops. Expensive car or not, I bet not one of you councillors would swap your mobility for a wheelchair. Primrose Coley

10:22am Sat 7 Dec 13

comberton hill questions says...

I can see the points made by Kidderlord in this situation.

I think the difference is that whilst a lot of us and I include myself in this have the ability to walk longer distances and can park maybe in a space allowing us an hours free parking etc. or some can walk from their homes. The disabled do not have this choice they have to park near where they are going through necessity.

This type of policy sends completely the wrong signal and will create situations where the disabled will park on double yellow lines causing all sorts of congestion problems. Taxation needs to be fair and based upon your income and wealth not a broad brush approach attacking the most vulnerable in society.

The point is the disabled do not have a choice and have to use their vehicles the rest of us do have a choice - why victimise the disabled further?
I can see the points made by Kidderlord in this situation. I think the difference is that whilst a lot of us and I include myself in this have the ability to walk longer distances and can park maybe in a space allowing us an hours free parking etc. or some can walk from their homes. The disabled do not have this choice they have to park near where they are going through necessity. This type of policy sends completely the wrong signal and will create situations where the disabled will park on double yellow lines causing all sorts of congestion problems. Taxation needs to be fair and based upon your income and wealth not a broad brush approach attacking the most vulnerable in society. The point is the disabled do not have a choice and have to use their vehicles the rest of us do have a choice - why victimise the disabled further? comberton hill questions

12:33pm Sat 7 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

And will ALL of our councillors give back their free parking passes?
And will ALL of our councillors give back their free parking passes? emjaypee

11:27am Sun 8 Dec 13

thekiddygirl says...

perhaps the Mayor of Kidderminster and the Chairman of the County Council should give up their chauffeurs to save a bit of money.
perhaps the Mayor of Kidderminster and the Chairman of the County Council should give up their chauffeurs to save a bit of money. thekiddygirl

12:00pm Sun 8 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

I see none of the local opposition politicos have dared to come on this thread in response to the question did they ALL vote in favour at full council?............
.......take that as a YES then..

Can anyone in the know throw any light on this?
I see none of the local opposition politicos have dared to come on this thread in response to the question did they ALL vote in favour at full council?............ .......take that as a YES then.. Can anyone in the know throw any light on this? emjaypee

6:50pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Steph B says...

Labour & Health Concern voted against. Conservative, Liberal and Independent voted for.
Labour & Health Concern voted against. Conservative, Liberal and Independent voted for. Steph B

7:40pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Steph B says...

Hardly surprising local councillors don't come on the Shuttle any more is it Emjaypee?
Hardly surprising local councillors don't come on the Shuttle any more is it Emjaypee? Steph B

8:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

khfc12 says...

Why is this seen as some sort of attack on the disabled???

So many of the above arguments go on about lack of mobility, the need of a large car to fit wheelchairs in etc. All reasonable points if the Council had removed Disabled parking bays from near the front of shops or similar.....but they have not. It is a simple request for everybody that uses a pay and display car park to......wait for it.....PAY AND DISPLAY!!!

It is not an attack on blue badges (of which there seem to be an ever increasing amount) it is a simple request that suddenly becomes an attack on human rights. Blue badge holders get extra monetary benefits, vastly reduced car prices larger car park spaces, preferential positioning in car parks and the ability to almost park where they like

However, as is the norm in the UK, some keep wanting more and see anything that goes against this as an attack on them because they are different.

I have a family, I am black, I have a sore knee and my Nan has dementia......hmmmm.
...what can I get for that???
Why is this seen as some sort of attack on the disabled??? So many of the above arguments go on about lack of mobility, the need of a large car to fit wheelchairs in etc. All reasonable points if the Council had removed Disabled parking bays from near the front of shops or similar.....but they have not. It is a simple request for everybody that uses a pay and display car park to......wait for it.....PAY AND DISPLAY!!! It is not an attack on blue badges (of which there seem to be an ever increasing amount) it is a simple request that suddenly becomes an attack on human rights. Blue badge holders get extra monetary benefits, vastly reduced car prices larger car park spaces, preferential positioning in car parks and the ability to almost park where they like However, as is the norm in the UK, some keep wanting more and see anything that goes against this as an attack on them because they are different. I have a family, I am black, I have a sore knee and my Nan has dementia......hmmmm. ...what can I get for that??? khfc12

10:24am Mon 9 Dec 13

walkerno5 says...

"I have a family, I am black, I have a sore knee and my Nan has dementia......hmmmm.

...what can I get for that???"

Well, in order;

Child benefit, working families tax credit. Free education and nursery places.

Free discrimination. Some legislative attempts to fight it.

Free NHS treatment.

A pension, free NHS treatment and prescriptions, considerable amounts of social care, possibly carers allowance.

- - - - - -

In all of these cases, there is a need and an attempt to meet it without disadvantaging you in too many ways. For the Disabled, we have had an enlightened attitude that says, because you may need to park in several locations throughout the day to do the normal day to day activities that the rest of us take for granted, that it would be unfair to charge each time - and the current system is unable to cope with pay once park many times.

So you either need to keep it free or establish a pay once park many times type ticket, or you are entrenching the disadvantage faced by the disabled.

If you do charge the disabled, you need to make parking meters accessible to all the various needs of everyone who can possibly fall into the blue badge definitions. I don't think they are now, and upgrading them is not going to be free.
"I have a family, I am black, I have a sore knee and my Nan has dementia......hmmmm. ...what can I get for that???" Well, in order; Child benefit, working families tax credit. Free education and nursery places. Free discrimination. Some legislative attempts to fight it. Free NHS treatment. A pension, free NHS treatment and prescriptions, considerable amounts of social care, possibly carers allowance. - - - - - - In all of these cases, there is a need and an attempt to meet it without disadvantaging you in too many ways. For the Disabled, we have had an enlightened attitude that says, because you may need to park in several locations throughout the day to do the normal day to day activities that the rest of us take for granted, that it would be unfair to charge each time - and the current system is unable to cope with pay once park many times. So you either need to keep it free or establish a pay once park many times type ticket, or you are entrenching the disadvantage faced by the disabled. If you do charge the disabled, you need to make parking meters accessible to all the various needs of everyone who can possibly fall into the blue badge definitions. I don't think they are now, and upgrading them is not going to be free. walkerno5

2:25pm Mon 9 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

@khfc12 the point is that these councillors are still drawing their tax payer funded extras as well as free parking passes and all the rest that gravy train has to offer.
If they are going to target the vulnerable then let's see some of this so called "all in it together". They can start by giving up their passes and pay out of their publicly funded pockets.
Call it leading by example..... any takers those of you who voted in favour at full council ( Liberals, Tories, independents??
@khfc12 the point is that these councillors are still drawing their tax payer funded extras as well as free parking passes and all the rest that gravy train has to offer. If they are going to target the vulnerable then let's see some of this so called "all in it together". They can start by giving up their passes and pay out of their publicly funded pockets. Call it leading by example..... any takers those of you who voted in favour at full council ( Liberals, Tories, independents?? emjaypee

3:11pm Mon 9 Dec 13

tuttfeet says...

What free parking passes AND Blue Badges?! emjaypee You are joshing surely?
What free parking passes AND Blue Badges?! emjaypee You are joshing surely? tuttfeet

6:26pm Mon 9 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

tuttfeet wrote:
What free parking passes AND Blue Badges?! emjaypee You are joshing surely?
I stand to be corrected but as I understand councillors get car park passes, I never said anything about them having blue badges.
[quote][p][bold]tuttfeet[/bold] wrote: What free parking passes AND Blue Badges?! emjaypee You are joshing surely?[/p][/quote]I stand to be corrected but as I understand councillors get car park passes, I never said anything about them having blue badges. emjaypee

8:16pm Mon 9 Dec 13

pinkkelly says...

I've got a
Disabled child, I work full time. I challenge
Anyone to go to a meter to pay and display while having a child in a wheel chair . We have more trips into town due to appts,
And special meds.
I've got a Disabled child, I work full time. I challenge Anyone to go to a meter to pay and display while having a child in a wheel chair . We have more trips into town due to appts, And special meds. pinkkelly

9:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

pottery1 says...

We do not have free car parking passes, we voted to give them up.

Cllr Helen Dyke
We do not have free car parking passes, we voted to give them up. Cllr Helen Dyke pottery1

9:08am Tue 10 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

pottery1 wrote:
We do not have free car parking passes, we voted to give them up.

Cllr Helen Dyke
Thanks for the correction I knew Cllrs had them in the past.
But how did you vote on this issue at full council?
[quote][p][bold]pottery1[/bold] wrote: We do not have free car parking passes, we voted to give them up. Cllr Helen Dyke[/p][/quote]Thanks for the correction I knew Cllrs had them in the past. But how did you vote on this issue at full council? emjaypee

11:53am Tue 10 Dec 13

tuttfeet says...

If you are employed by council you're entitled to claim back town centre parking charges if on official business though? As advertised.

Watched 'The Meeting : The Movie last night to try and discover what is happening with this....

Forgive my ignorance but are all the details pertaining to this change contained in that large wadge of paper?

Any spare ones around we could have a look at ?

Just so I'm forewarned as to WHEN, WHERE and HOW this will be happening.
If you are employed by council you're entitled to claim back town centre parking charges if on official business though? As advertised. Watched 'The Meeting : The Movie last night to try and discover what is happening with this.... Forgive my ignorance but are all the details pertaining to this change contained in that large wadge of paper? Any spare ones around we could have a look at ? Just so I'm forewarned as to WHEN, WHERE and HOW this will be happening. tuttfeet

2:19pm Tue 10 Dec 13

dory says...

comberton hill questions wrote:
I can see the points made by Kidderlord in this situation.

I think the difference is that whilst a lot of us and I include myself in this have the ability to walk longer distances and can park maybe in a space allowing us an hours free parking etc. or some can walk from their homes. The disabled do not have this choice they have to park near where they are going through necessity.

This type of policy sends completely the wrong signal and will create situations where the disabled will park on double yellow lines causing all sorts of congestion problems. Taxation needs to be fair and based upon your income and wealth not a broad brush approach attacking the most vulnerable in society.

The point is the disabled do not have a choice and have to use their vehicles the rest of us do have a choice - why victimise the disabled further?
John Campion wants to remember how he got where he is to.Disabled people do vote you know .Got the feathers, Now where did i put that tar !!
[quote][p][bold]comberton hill questions[/bold] wrote: I can see the points made by Kidderlord in this situation. I think the difference is that whilst a lot of us and I include myself in this have the ability to walk longer distances and can park maybe in a space allowing us an hours free parking etc. or some can walk from their homes. The disabled do not have this choice they have to park near where they are going through necessity. This type of policy sends completely the wrong signal and will create situations where the disabled will park on double yellow lines causing all sorts of congestion problems. Taxation needs to be fair and based upon your income and wealth not a broad brush approach attacking the most vulnerable in society. The point is the disabled do not have a choice and have to use their vehicles the rest of us do have a choice - why victimise the disabled further?[/p][/quote]John Campion wants to remember how he got where he is to.Disabled people do vote you know .Got the feathers, Now where did i put that tar !! dory

12:25pm Wed 11 Dec 13

grahamb says...

Health Concern and Labour ALL voted against this daft hypocritical Blue Badge proposal from the Tories who pushed through the proposal with the full support of their allies the Liberals, former Lib/Dems(now "Independents") and their latest recruit Cllr Aston. I was very surprised to see his comments in the article attacking the policy which he helped to vote through.Just revisit the numbers as accurately reported in the article to confirm!
Health Concern and Labour ALL voted against this daft hypocritical Blue Badge proposal from the Tories who pushed through the proposal with the full support of their allies the Liberals, former Lib/Dems(now "Independents") and their latest recruit Cllr Aston. I was very surprised to see his comments in the article attacking the policy which he helped to vote through.Just revisit the numbers as accurately reported in the article to confirm! grahamb

12:38pm Wed 11 Dec 13

grahamb says...

CLLRS Aston and Dyke amongst other Liberals/ former Lid/Dems a all voted FOR this daft hypocritical Blue Badge proposal . It was ONLY Health Concern and Labour Councillors who opposed . The Shuttle accurately reported the result with15 (Labour and ICHC) against and 25 (Tories plus et al as above) voting in support !!
CLLRS Aston and Dyke amongst other Liberals/ former Lid/Dems a all voted FOR this daft hypocritical Blue Badge proposal . It was ONLY Health Concern and Labour Councillors who opposed . The Shuttle accurately reported the result with15 (Labour and ICHC) against and 25 (Tories plus et al as above) voting in support !! grahamb

12:57pm Wed 11 Dec 13

emjaypee says...

That explains why Cllr Dyke suddenly went silent, very very silent, when I asked how she voted.
Just goes to show how a lucrative gravy train can blind their view on the real world.
The nasty party & their Liberal/independent allies should be ashamed of themselves.
That explains why Cllr Dyke suddenly went silent, very very silent, when I asked how she voted. Just goes to show how a lucrative gravy train can blind their view on the real world. The nasty party & their Liberal/independent allies should be ashamed of themselves. emjaypee

3:04pm Thu 12 Dec 13

tuttfeet says...

pottery1 wrote:
We do not have free car parking passes, we voted to give them up.

Cllr Helen Dyke
That is gracious act. One of the noble things about our previous MP

along with his tireless dedication for the local area of Wyre Forest

was the frugality of his expenses claims.

Will the travelling allowance for Councillors still be allowed ?
[quote][p][bold]pottery1[/bold] wrote: We do not have free car parking passes, we voted to give them up. Cllr Helen Dyke[/p][/quote]That is gracious act. One of the noble things about our previous MP along with his tireless dedication for the local area of Wyre Forest was the frugality of his expenses claims. Will the travelling allowance for Councillors still be allowed ? tuttfeet

3:30pm Thu 12 Dec 13

tuttfeet says...

Not for journeys as far afield as London

Which would put some wear and tear on your vehicle especially if it was
of the lower cc version.
But distances of 3 or 4 miles say. Some could easily WALK that distance & connect with us real folk along the way.

Crikey ! This really has brought home to me how divided we are as citizens.
Not for journeys as far afield as London Which would put some wear and tear on your vehicle especially if it was of the lower cc version. But distances of 3 or 4 miles say. Some could easily WALK that distance & connect with us real folk along the way. Crikey ! This really has brought home to me how divided we are as citizens. tuttfeet

11:11pm Tue 17 Dec 13

MRSDEAKIN says...

if you can park on the double yellows i would do so they are much closer to the shops let the council have there pound savings then when people complain about the parking they will suddenly find the money and you will get your spaces back for free
if you can park on the double yellows i would do so they are much closer to the shops let the council have there pound savings then when people complain about the parking they will suddenly find the money and you will get your spaces back for free MRSDEAKIN

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