Police defend response to large early-hours brawl in Worcester city centre

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POLICE have defended their response to a large brawl that broke out in Worcester city centre in the early hours.

Detective Inspector Neil Austin, of West Mercia Police, praised his officers for showing “bravery” and "restraint".

“This was a highly volatile situation, which initially started as a minor incident of anti-social behaviour but escalated into more serious disorder,” he said.

He was speaking after four men – two 19-year-olds from Pershore, a 31-year-old man from Malvern, and an 18-year-old man from Evesham – were bailed until Monday, September 29, on suspicion of violent disorder.

The violence began early on Bank Holiday Monday outside McDonald’s in Worcester’s Foregate Street after police spoke to a man about being too drunk.

In the brawl that followed at about 4am, a number of police officers were assaulted, suffering minor injuries.

Today some people took to social media and websites to criticise the police’s handling of the incident.

But DI Austin said: "We would like to recognise the bravery and restraint shown by our officers, as well as thanking those who supported us.

“Our officers are highly trained in dealing with these kinds of situations but if anyone does have any concerns we would welcome the opportunity to speak to them.

“Disorder on this scale is a very rare occurrence in Worcester, and we would like to reassure the public that police are continuing to keep our communities safe.”

Among the criticisms were allegations that officers had been heavy-handed and had reacted too strongly to people filming the incident.

On the Worcester News website, under the name OT1234, one reader posted: “I was there for the whole thing. I feel the police were very aggressive and abused their power, and it is because of this that bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers.”

Rhys G’don Newman said: “I watched a girl get thrown on the floor, the bouncer hit my mate and I got pushed.”

Det Insp Austin said investigations into the incident were ongoing.

“We are now working to establish the exact circumstances around the incident and would encourage anyone who has any pictures, video or information to come forward as it could be vital to the investigation,” he said.

Anyone with information on the brawl is asked to call 101, quoting incident number 0089s of Monday, August 25, 2014.

Witnesses can also speak to Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111 or via crimestoppers-uk.org

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8:37am Wed 27 Aug 14

CynicalSid says...

Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.
Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots. CynicalSid
  • Score: 30

9:06am Wed 27 Aug 14

nickyf224117 says...

CynicalSid wrote:
Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.
Cynical sid have you seen any of the footage of how it started? were you there? have you seen the footage of police brutality which sparked the unrest? no? Then keep your ill informed opinions to yourself! Having seen the footage from start to finish i can honestly say the police were lucky to get away alive after what the did! and conveniently there is no CCTV footage of the incident. Cover-up anyone?
[quote][p][bold]CynicalSid[/bold] wrote: Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.[/p][/quote]Cynical sid have you seen any of the footage of how it started? were you there? have you seen the footage of police brutality which sparked the unrest? no? Then keep your ill informed opinions to yourself! Having seen the footage from start to finish i can honestly say the police were lucky to get away alive after what the did! and conveniently there is no CCTV footage of the incident. Cover-up anyone? nickyf224117
  • Score: -31

9:20am Wed 27 Aug 14

presterjohn says...

Rather than just report what the PR people for the police have to say (not that I am saying they are misinformed) why has the Worcester News not asked the public for links to the video footage filmed by witnesses. The WN could then REPORT on what actually happened.
Rather than just report what the PR people for the police have to say (not that I am saying they are misinformed) why has the Worcester News not asked the public for links to the video footage filmed by witnesses. The WN could then REPORT on what actually happened. presterjohn
  • Score: 27

9:47am Wed 27 Aug 14

billybobuk says...

If the footage is in the public domain what are the links; then we could make up our own minds rather than rely on the WN.
If the footage is in the public domain what are the links; then we could make up our own minds rather than rely on the WN. billybobuk
  • Score: 23

10:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

JohnCSG says...

billybobuk wrote:
If the footage is in the public domain what are the links; then we could make up our own minds rather than rely on the WN.
Exactly, it sounds as though a lot of people who weren't there have seen something - and a lot of people claim to have been there are saying things as well, if there is video evidence, taken by the public, it should be made public!
[quote][p][bold]billybobuk[/bold] wrote: If the footage is in the public domain what are the links; then we could make up our own minds rather than rely on the WN.[/p][/quote]Exactly, it sounds as though a lot of people who weren't there have seen something - and a lot of people claim to have been there are saying things as well, if there is video evidence, taken by the public, it should be made public! JohnCSG
  • Score: 17

10:28am Wed 27 Aug 14

dave cus says...

please upload some images and video clips?
please upload some images and video clips? dave cus
  • Score: 14

12:15pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Shropshirelad says...

On the Worcester News website, under the name OT1234, one reader posted: “I was there for the whole thing. I feel the police were very aggressive and abused their power, and it is because of this that bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers.”

This say's it all. It is a matter of their opinion that Police abused their power. These people don't know what powers the Police had under the circumstances. This character admits that "bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers". This was a typical bunch of drunken, rowdy louts who think that they have the right to fight with and abuse officers for any one of a number of unjustified reasons. Their proper action would have been to go to the Police Station and make a complaint - as it was by self admission, they joined in and made a trivial incident into something much worse. They deserve to have the book thrown at them and it is a pity that some of them didn't get a baton across them. The lesson to be learned from this is simple, if a copper tells you to do something, don't argue, don't get abusive, don't fight JUST DO IT, then there will be no trouble and you won't get arrested. Be cheeky, violent or even "cocky" and you are fast heading for trouble.
On the Worcester News website, under the name OT1234, one reader posted: “I was there for the whole thing. I feel the police were very aggressive and abused their power, and it is because of this that bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers.” This say's it all. It is a matter of their opinion that Police abused their power. These people don't know what powers the Police had under the circumstances. This character admits that "bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers". This was a typical bunch of drunken, rowdy louts who think that they have the right to fight with and abuse officers for any one of a number of unjustified reasons. Their proper action would have been to go to the Police Station and make a complaint - as it was by self admission, they joined in and made a trivial incident into something much worse. They deserve to have the book thrown at them and it is a pity that some of them didn't get a baton across them. The lesson to be learned from this is simple, if a copper tells you to do something, don't argue, don't get abusive, don't fight JUST DO IT, then there will be no trouble and you won't get arrested. Be cheeky, violent or even "cocky" and you are fast heading for trouble. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 29

12:31pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

CynicalSid wrote:
Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.
Since when do bystanders decide its okay to join in and attack the police in a civilised society? This escalates a situation. The police are doing a job most of us would not want to do, under difficult circumstances. Treat the unruly drunks as they deserve. They behaved in an unacceptable way, with no restraint. Perhaps next time the police could just put a tall fence around them and make them stay there for 24 hours, encouraging people to throw rotten tomatoes at them.
[quote][p][bold]CynicalSid[/bold] wrote: Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.[/p][/quote]Since when do bystanders decide its okay to join in and attack the police in a civilised society? This escalates a situation. The police are doing a job most of us would not want to do, under difficult circumstances. Treat the unruly drunks as they deserve. They behaved in an unacceptable way, with no restraint. Perhaps next time the police could just put a tall fence around them and make them stay there for 24 hours, encouraging people to throw rotten tomatoes at them. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: 41

12:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

lehig76 says...

nickyf224117 wrote:
CynicalSid wrote:
Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.
Cynical sid have you seen any of the footage of how it started? were you there? have you seen the footage of police brutality which sparked the unrest? no? Then keep your ill informed opinions to yourself! Having seen the footage from start to finish i can honestly say the police were lucky to get away alive after what the did! and conveniently there is no CCTV footage of the incident. Cover-up anyone?
Who needs CCTV footage if it's all on someone's camera? If it's as bad as you say, why don't you go to the authorities with it???

Fundamentally, if nobody approaches the police doing their job, events like this just cannot occur can they? If there's a fracas, just walk away. Why get involved? You're not a lawyer or a police officer so you have no business voicing an opinion about an arrest to which you know next to nothing. Go out, have a drink, and go home. If you see trouble, walk away. Didn't your parents teach you this?
[quote][p][bold]nickyf224117[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CynicalSid[/bold] wrote: Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.[/p][/quote]Cynical sid have you seen any of the footage of how it started? were you there? have you seen the footage of police brutality which sparked the unrest? no? Then keep your ill informed opinions to yourself! Having seen the footage from start to finish i can honestly say the police were lucky to get away alive after what the did! and conveniently there is no CCTV footage of the incident. Cover-up anyone?[/p][/quote]Who needs CCTV footage if it's all on someone's camera? If it's as bad as you say, why don't you go to the authorities with it??? Fundamentally, if nobody approaches the police doing their job, events like this just cannot occur can they? If there's a fracas, just walk away. Why get involved? You're not a lawyer or a police officer so you have no business voicing an opinion about an arrest to which you know next to nothing. Go out, have a drink, and go home. If you see trouble, walk away. Didn't your parents teach you this? lehig76
  • Score: 40

1:08pm Wed 27 Aug 14

The Villan says...

danred1 wrote:
Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀
Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.
[quote][p][bold]danred1[/bold] wrote: Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀[/p][/quote]Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested. The Villan
  • Score: 8

1:08pm Wed 27 Aug 14

FME1138 says...

CynicalSid wrote:
Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.
Absolutely, the police do a difficult enough job as it is without silly idiots causing problems like this. I hope all available footage is meticulously reviewed and justice is served to all those fools involved in this brawl. There is no place in society for the actions of these individuals.
[quote][p][bold]CynicalSid[/bold] wrote: Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, the police do a difficult enough job as it is without silly idiots causing problems like this. I hope all available footage is meticulously reviewed and justice is served to all those fools involved in this brawl. There is no place in society for the actions of these individuals. FME1138
  • Score: 27

2:06pm Wed 27 Aug 14

mrloverman says...

The Villan wrote:
danred1 wrote:
Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀
Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.
Everybody has an opinion, sometimes it might be different to yours,but everyone is allowed one. Fortunately we don't live in a police state and you're allowed to question the actions of the police without fear of arrest.
[quote][p][bold]The Villan [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]danred1[/bold] wrote: Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀[/p][/quote]Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.[/p][/quote]Everybody has an opinion, sometimes it might be different to yours,but everyone is allowed one. Fortunately we don't live in a police state and you're allowed to question the actions of the police without fear of arrest. mrloverman
  • Score: 13

2:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

lehig76 says...

The Villan wrote:
danred1 wrote:
Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀
Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.
Rubbish. There's nothing unlawful about this - I'm a lawyer - and I can tell from your 'advice' that you know very little, so you shouldn't really be offering it. It's an incredibly childish post and the author has committed serious crimes against the English language, but it most certainly does not amount to incitement. "We should all rise up fight back against the Police in Worcester this coming weekend." That's incitement.
[quote][p][bold]The Villan [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]danred1[/bold] wrote: Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀[/p][/quote]Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. There's nothing unlawful about this - I'm a lawyer - and I can tell from your 'advice' that you know very little, so you shouldn't really be offering it. It's an incredibly childish post and the author has committed serious crimes against the English language, but it most certainly does not amount to incitement. "We should all rise up fight back against the Police in Worcester this coming weekend." That's incitement. lehig76
  • Score: -3

2:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

danred1 wrote:
Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀
have you ever had to deal with a drunk?let alone 50. not easy . try it and when you've changed your trousers tell us what it was like .
[quote][p][bold]danred1[/bold] wrote: Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀[/p][/quote]have you ever had to deal with a drunk?let alone 50. not easy . try it and when you've changed your trousers tell us what it was like . liketoknow
  • Score: 32

3:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

The Villan says...

lehig76 wrote:
The Villan wrote:
danred1 wrote:
Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀
Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.
Rubbish. There's nothing unlawful about this - I'm a lawyer - and I can tell from your 'advice' that you know very little, so you shouldn't really be offering it. It's an incredibly childish post and the author has committed serious crimes against the English language, but it most certainly does not amount to incitement. "We should all rise up fight back against the Police in Worcester this coming weekend." That's incitement.
It was written 'tongue in cheek' because it was such a childish comment by danred1, I was being ironic!
[quote][p][bold]lehig76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Villan [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]danred1[/bold] wrote: Worcester police are the lowest of the low...They are just adults who got bullied when they were at school and now they are bullying the public because they have got the power. But it will soon come back and bite them in the ads when the public Decide to turn nasty and out number them. 😀[/p][/quote]Expect a knock at the door shortly to explain this comment! You are inciting or proposing to incite trouble, which will get you arrested.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. There's nothing unlawful about this - I'm a lawyer - and I can tell from your 'advice' that you know very little, so you shouldn't really be offering it. It's an incredibly childish post and the author has committed serious crimes against the English language, but it most certainly does not amount to incitement. "We should all rise up fight back against the Police in Worcester this coming weekend." That's incitement.[/p][/quote]It was written 'tongue in cheek' because it was such a childish comment by danred1, I was being ironic! The Villan
  • Score: -7

3:26pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Shellywilliams80 says...

I see violence erupt most nights on Foregate Street due to the fact I live in The Hopmarket my house overlooks MacDonald's. The Police do a highly commendable job every single night, also the door men. They were merely try to stop a escalating violent situation form harming innocent bystanders from getting worse. Living on foregate Street I see EVERYTHING. So I agree lets not incite more anarchy from drunken louts GROWN MEN who should no better.
I see violence erupt most nights on Foregate Street due to the fact I live in The Hopmarket my house overlooks MacDonald's. The Police do a highly commendable job every single night, also the door men. They were merely try to stop a escalating violent situation form harming innocent bystanders from getting worse. Living on foregate Street I see EVERYTHING. So I agree lets not incite more anarchy from drunken louts GROWN MEN who should no better. Shellywilliams80
  • Score: 29

3:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Shellywilliams80 says...

I'm sorry but I live on Foregate Street and my house overlooks MacDonald's and main town and I think The Police and Door men were totally justified in their actions I see violence erupt EVERY NIGHT on that corner of town, and police need a medal amount of abuse and violence they face EVERY NIGHT. The Door staff need a medal also for what they have to put up with. Worcester is turning into a drunken violent town. So well done police on controlling an otherwise dangerous situation which could have escalated and harmed bystanders who were ACTUALLY minding their own business.
I'm sorry but I live on Foregate Street and my house overlooks MacDonald's and main town and I think The Police and Door men were totally justified in their actions I see violence erupt EVERY NIGHT on that corner of town, and police need a medal amount of abuse and violence they face EVERY NIGHT. The Door staff need a medal also for what they have to put up with. Worcester is turning into a drunken violent town. So well done police on controlling an otherwise dangerous situation which could have escalated and harmed bystanders who were ACTUALLY minding their own business. Shellywilliams80
  • Score: 29

4:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

reflector says...

Shropshirelad wrote:
On the Worcester News website, under the name OT1234, one reader posted: “I was there for the whole thing. I feel the police were very aggressive and abused their power, and it is because of this that bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers.”

This say's it all. It is a matter of their opinion that Police abused their power. These people don't know what powers the Police had under the circumstances. This character admits that "bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers". This was a typical bunch of drunken, rowdy louts who think that they have the right to fight with and abuse officers for any one of a number of unjustified reasons. Their proper action would have been to go to the Police Station and make a complaint - as it was by self admission, they joined in and made a trivial incident into something much worse. They deserve to have the book thrown at them and it is a pity that some of them didn't get a baton across them. The lesson to be learned from this is simple, if a copper tells you to do something, don't argue, don't get abusive, don't fight JUST DO IT, then there will be no trouble and you won't get arrested. Be cheeky, violent or even "cocky" and you are fast heading for trouble.
I was going to have my two pennorth but I couldn't have expressed it better than Shropshirelad. Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]Shropshirelad[/bold] wrote: On the Worcester News website, under the name OT1234, one reader posted: “I was there for the whole thing. I feel the police were very aggressive and abused their power, and it is because of this that bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers.” This say's it all. It is a matter of their opinion that Police abused their power. These people don't know what powers the Police had under the circumstances. This character admits that "bystanders felt the need to join in and attack the police officers". This was a typical bunch of drunken, rowdy louts who think that they have the right to fight with and abuse officers for any one of a number of unjustified reasons. Their proper action would have been to go to the Police Station and make a complaint - as it was by self admission, they joined in and made a trivial incident into something much worse. They deserve to have the book thrown at them and it is a pity that some of them didn't get a baton across them. The lesson to be learned from this is simple, if a copper tells you to do something, don't argue, don't get abusive, don't fight JUST DO IT, then there will be no trouble and you won't get arrested. Be cheeky, violent or even "cocky" and you are fast heading for trouble.[/p][/quote]I was going to have my two pennorth but I couldn't have expressed it better than Shropshirelad. Spot on! reflector
  • Score: 15

5:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Anthony Green says...

12 lines of reporting from West Mercia Police.
3 lines of comment allowed from other sources.
Some outsiders may not consider this even handed or fair reporting
12 lines of reporting from West Mercia Police. 3 lines of comment allowed from other sources. Some outsiders may not consider this even handed or fair reporting Anthony Green
  • Score: 3

6:26pm Wed 27 Aug 14

danred1 says...

Anthony Green wrote:
12 lines of reporting from West Mercia Police.
3 lines of comment allowed from other sources.
Some outsiders may not consider this even handed or fair reporting
Exactly! !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Anthony Green[/bold] wrote: 12 lines of reporting from West Mercia Police. 3 lines of comment allowed from other sources. Some outsiders may not consider this even handed or fair reporting[/p][/quote]Exactly! !!!!! danred1
  • Score: -1

6:55pm Wed 27 Aug 14

obidanshinobi says...

nickyf224117 wrote:
CynicalSid wrote:
Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.
Cynical sid have you seen any of the footage of how it started? were you there? have you seen the footage of police brutality which sparked the unrest? no? Then keep your ill informed opinions to yourself! Having seen the footage from start to finish i can honestly say the police were lucky to get away alive after what the did! and conveniently there is no CCTV footage of the incident. Cover-up anyone?
Have you ever tried to deal with a bunch of drunken idiots ?
Most drunk people do not listen, most drunk people are not reasonable, most drunk people do not consider others.
The police and paramedics need space to do their jobs. If people are standing over them and challenging them then they need to be removed from the area, with force if necessary. It's not rocket science.
The UK police are the best trained police force in the world.
[quote][p][bold]nickyf224117[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CynicalSid[/bold] wrote: Blast the lot with a water canon plugged into the nearest sewer. Idiots.[/p][/quote]Cynical sid have you seen any of the footage of how it started? were you there? have you seen the footage of police brutality which sparked the unrest? no? Then keep your ill informed opinions to yourself! Having seen the footage from start to finish i can honestly say the police were lucky to get away alive after what the did! and conveniently there is no CCTV footage of the incident. Cover-up anyone?[/p][/quote]Have you ever tried to deal with a bunch of drunken idiots ? Most drunk people do not listen, most drunk people are not reasonable, most drunk people do not consider others. The police and paramedics need space to do their jobs. If people are standing over them and challenging them then they need to be removed from the area, with force if necessary. It's not rocket science. The UK police are the best trained police force in the world. obidanshinobi
  • Score: 9

7:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

DarrenM says...

The police force nationally, let alone locally is now such a discredited organisation that only a full release of the cctv that they are presumably in possession of would quell the criticism.
The police force nationally, let alone locally is now such a discredited organisation that only a full release of the cctv that they are presumably in possession of would quell the criticism. DarrenM
  • Score: 11

10:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

sunnside says...

It seems to me that what ever the police had done would be wrong ,leave them alone let them run riot would be wrong so they intervened that was wrong.If someone is in town drunk then there will be trouble so the police are right to approach them plus the fact that these scum are not even from worcester i wont even go anywhere near town any more for fear of this type of behaviour.
Its about time the pubs played a part in this as they rake in the profits then leave the tax payers to pick up the tab for drunken louts to abuse this cities hospitality
It seems to me that what ever the police had done would be wrong ,leave them alone let them run riot would be wrong so they intervened that was wrong.If someone is in town drunk then there will be trouble so the police are right to approach them plus the fact that these scum are not even from worcester i wont even go anywhere near town any more for fear of this type of behaviour. Its about time the pubs played a part in this as they rake in the profits then leave the tax payers to pick up the tab for drunken louts to abuse this cities hospitality sunnside
  • Score: 13

5:29am Thu 28 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

DarrenM wrote:
The police force nationally, let alone locally is now such a discredited organisation that only a full release of the cctv that they are presumably in possession of would quell the criticism.
Your fallacious reasoning implies that the action of a few "bad apples" in London, means that the ordinary policemen in Worcester, doing a very difficult job, are automatically bad. Darren try dong the job yourself before you criticise them. People have to live in these places and tolerate these uncivilised people who have little imagination in knowing how to spend their public holiday, so the rest of society should not be expected to tolerate their dumb disruptive behaviour. Remember police reflect the rest of society. They're not perfect, but then society is pretty trashy sometimes, and police are expected to keep people and property safe. How do you propose they do it?
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: The police force nationally, let alone locally is now such a discredited organisation that only a full release of the cctv that they are presumably in possession of would quell the criticism.[/p][/quote]Your fallacious reasoning implies that the action of a few "bad apples" in London, means that the ordinary policemen in Worcester, doing a very difficult job, are automatically bad. Darren try dong the job yourself before you criticise them. People have to live in these places and tolerate these uncivilised people who have little imagination in knowing how to spend their public holiday, so the rest of society should not be expected to tolerate their dumb disruptive behaviour. Remember police reflect the rest of society. They're not perfect, but then society is pretty trashy sometimes, and police are expected to keep people and property safe. How do you propose they do it? Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -12

12:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

joestansmith says...

If anything the police are not given ENOUGH powers, perhaps this is why anything outside of a 'softly softly' approach is mis-read as an abuse of position or somehow seen (by students in particular) as foreshadowing us living in a police state where people are not free to drink, fight, urinate in public and verbally and physically attack police officers stretched to their limits and struggling to take care of simple situations.
The police are NOT the enemy, you are MAKING them the enemy by putting them in these difficult positions.
Next time - back off and mind your own business, not everything has to become some sort of protest against 'the man.'
If there is anyone or anything to blame here it's the drinking culture that encourages people to act like complete c****s at 4am without any responsibility whatsoever.
If anything the police are not given ENOUGH powers, perhaps this is why anything outside of a 'softly softly' approach is mis-read as an abuse of position or somehow seen (by students in particular) as foreshadowing us living in a police state where people are not free to drink, fight, urinate in public and verbally and physically attack police officers stretched to their limits and struggling to take care of simple situations. The police are NOT the enemy, you are MAKING them the enemy by putting them in these difficult positions. Next time - back off and mind your own business, not everything has to become some sort of protest against 'the man.' If there is anyone or anything to blame here it's the drinking culture that encourages people to act like complete c****s at 4am without any responsibility whatsoever. joestansmith
  • Score: -3

6:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

DarrenM says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
DarrenM wrote:
The police force nationally, let alone locally is now such a discredited organisation that only a full release of the cctv that they are presumably in possession of would quell the criticism.
Your fallacious reasoning implies that the action of a few "bad apples" in London, means that the ordinary policemen in Worcester, doing a very difficult job, are automatically bad. Darren try dong the job yourself before you criticise them. People have to live in these places and tolerate these uncivilised people who have little imagination in knowing how to spend their public holiday, so the rest of society should not be expected to tolerate their dumb disruptive behaviour. Remember police reflect the rest of society. They're not perfect, but then society is pretty trashy sometimes, and police are expected to keep people and property safe. How do you propose they do it?
A few bad apples in London? In the Evening news in the last 12 months there's been 1) west mercia officer sent to prision 2) West mercia officer sacked for gross misconduct 3) West mercia officer under investigation for alleged inappropriate relationship with an octogenarian, 4) another officer sacked for spying on colleagues in the police station and hacking their computers, should I go on?

And thats just what we know about let alone "Plebgate" and this latest fiasco

Oh and what happens when you have a bad apple in a barrel? Eventually the whole lot turns a bad, - a point usually missed by people who trot out that trite metaphor.

And apparently now to have an opinion on a service level you should trying doing the job? So to complain about a GP I should first study for 5 years and qualify as a Doctor, or to complain about the service level at Tescos maybe I should get a part time job there first? What nonsense.

As to how I propose they do it, well I would start by being open, transparent, accountable and acting within the law. A chap called Robert Peel once wrote 9 principles of Policing - maybe they could take a look at those first?
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: The police force nationally, let alone locally is now such a discredited organisation that only a full release of the cctv that they are presumably in possession of would quell the criticism.[/p][/quote]Your fallacious reasoning implies that the action of a few "bad apples" in London, means that the ordinary policemen in Worcester, doing a very difficult job, are automatically bad. Darren try dong the job yourself before you criticise them. People have to live in these places and tolerate these uncivilised people who have little imagination in knowing how to spend their public holiday, so the rest of society should not be expected to tolerate their dumb disruptive behaviour. Remember police reflect the rest of society. They're not perfect, but then society is pretty trashy sometimes, and police are expected to keep people and property safe. How do you propose they do it?[/p][/quote]A few bad apples in London? In the Evening news in the last 12 months there's been 1) west mercia officer sent to prision 2) West mercia officer sacked for gross misconduct 3) West mercia officer under investigation for alleged inappropriate relationship with an octogenarian, 4) another officer sacked for spying on colleagues in the police station and hacking their computers, should I go on? And thats just what we know about let alone "Plebgate" and this latest fiasco Oh and what happens when you have a bad apple in a barrel? Eventually the whole lot turns a bad, - a point usually missed by people who trot out that trite metaphor. And apparently now to have an opinion on a service level you should trying doing the job? So to complain about a GP I should first study for 5 years and qualify as a Doctor, or to complain about the service level at Tescos maybe I should get a part time job there first? What nonsense. As to how I propose they do it, well I would start by being open, transparent, accountable and acting within the law. A chap called Robert Peel once wrote 9 principles of Policing - maybe they could take a look at those first? DarrenM
  • Score: 21

6:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

I wonder what reception those 50 would have got in America?
I wonder what reception those 50 would have got in America? liketoknow
  • Score: 4

6:46pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Shropshirelad says...

I usually find that those who criticise the Police have been on the wrong side of the law/Police and I wonder if the backgrounds and records of those slating the local Police would stand up to close scrutiny. Of course they will deny this when they are found out and swear that they are lily-white, law abiding, socially responsible and upright citizens - that of course for the more intelligent, should be taken with a pinch of salt. The other possibility is that the critic/s are ex coppers themselves who have been sacked or required to resign from a job who'se standards were to high for them and they failed to measure up.
I usually find that those who criticise the Police have been on the wrong side of the law/Police and I wonder if the backgrounds and records of those slating the local Police would stand up to close scrutiny. Of course they will deny this when they are found out and swear that they are lily-white, law abiding, socially responsible and upright citizens - that of course for the more intelligent, should be taken with a pinch of salt. The other possibility is that the critic/s are ex coppers themselves who have been sacked or required to resign from a job who'se standards were to high for them and they failed to measure up. Shropshirelad
  • Score: -13

9:56pm Sat 30 Aug 14

DarrenM says...

So which category does the Home Secretary fall into then given her recent remarks to at the Police Federation Conference? She wasn't sacked or required to resign from a police force nor been on the wrong side of them as far as I'm aware?.

What about the 1400 abused children in Rochdale ignored by the police? I suppose they were all at fault as well -

The public as well as the Govt, Shropshire lad has finally seen through you and your colleagues, the emperor is wearing no clothes, regardless of all your political posturing.
So which category does the Home Secretary fall into then given her recent remarks to at the Police Federation Conference? She wasn't sacked or required to resign from a police force nor been on the wrong side of them as far as I'm aware?. What about the 1400 abused children in Rochdale ignored by the police? I suppose they were all at fault as well - The public as well as the Govt, Shropshire lad has finally seen through you and your colleagues, the emperor is wearing no clothes, regardless of all your political posturing. DarrenM
  • Score: 24

3:55pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Shropshirelad says...

What category do you fall into Darren. They are not my "colleagues" at all, indeed in some respects I would be critical of the Police also but not for the reasons that you are. Be honest, tell us when/why you fell foul of the Police.
What category do you fall into Darren. They are not my "colleagues" at all, indeed in some respects I would be critical of the Police also but not for the reasons that you are. Be honest, tell us when/why you fell foul of the Police. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 0
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