Fire at Kidderminster recycling centre (From Kidderminster Shuttle)

Shibdrift says...
12:43pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Well at least it gets rid of their stockpiles of rubbish; hidden (well, allegedly piled up inside) when Lawrences were made to "clean up" recently?!!!

Maybe now s H&S procedures might be looked at more closely??

Hope everyone is ok.

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lizrobmax says...
3:50pm Wed 12 Dec 12

At least they are trying to do something about all the landfill that is going on and recycling most of the rubbish we produce in this area.... Why dont you take a trip down there and actually go and see what they do before you criticise and call the HSE if your not happy with their H & S Procedures am sure they will tell you a few facts.....

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Shibdrift says...
5:28pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Well see what happens after this latest debacle as far as how well things are operated down there!
Didn't see the sprinklers working today?

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lizrobmax says...
7:02pm Wed 12 Dec 12

So you work there then?

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lizrobmax says...
9:25am Thu 13 Dec 12

Shibdrift. I am the QHSE Manager at Lawrences. I do not usually engage in replies on forums as they end up in people posting views and getting their egos involved, as such I do not intend to make any more posts other than this one no matter what you or anyone else posts (should one be made). I was a little incensed however at your comments as it throws the hard work of the staff and management at Lawrences into a poor light and indeed wholly inaccurate one.
To educate you then; the drencher system did deploy when the fire reached the detectors and worked perfectly in that area. Unfortunately the drencher system does not cover the whole facility. We were not made to clear up as you put it but did so of our own volition. Further we are regularly visited by both the Environment Agency and the HSE and have yet to receive any prosecution. In fact the Fire Service who have been such heroes on this day have commended us for our actions and indeed we have received many plaudits for our H&S performance and robust H&S systems. In short what I will say is that your comments would have relevance....if you had the faintest idea what you were talking about.
Please feel free (and this goes for anyone else who has the propensity for making uninformed comments concerning Lawrences) to telephone Lawrences next week ask for the QHSE Manager and I will be more than happy to discuss your inaccuracies and indeed put you right . I will also throw in a free guided tour of the facility in the sincere hope that the light of knowledge will dispel the darkness of ignorance (concerning Lawrences at least) that so obviously blights your existence.
Thanks

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Shibdrift says...
2:17pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Well, thanks for that!!! Touched a nerve did I?

Although....

I have to applaud the "darkness of ignorance that so obviously blights my existence". Wish I'd thought of that one.

Have fun at the next rat barbecue!

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Driving Instructor says...
6:40pm Thu 13 Dec 12

I think Hazel and Ron are well out of it, there is little or no control over rodent infestation, and the piles of waste should not be there, that was the EA last comments, hurry up with Hartlebury WTP
Grow up QHSE if you dont want the flack shut up and tidy up

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neilhar says...
7:36pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Who the heck and what relevance do Hazel and Ron have in this debate? And please don't hurry up the incinerator! An outdated technology banned from it's home of Spain.

It will;
Cost you and me personally, thousands of pounds each in additional tax to pay for it, via a half billion pound PFI if not a lot more.
Make the hills rumble with the increased heavy traffic traffic (from much further afield than H&W).
Need millions of tons of PLASTIC to burn in it (to make the promised energy from waste). Probably bought in and possibly even new.
Dwarf the cost to Council (US) of any possible landfill FINES, not tax (The council is supposed to re-use and recycle not bury or burn).
Reduce the amount that anyone bothers to recycle and so will eventually see the axing of that service.
Prevent us from getting the greenest rating from EU (the 3 R's I think) for waste blah blah.
Reduce council income from the non existent green bin contents. Remember they need plastic to burn so where you think it's gonna go?
Increase council outgoings (ours) fromn increasing and massive PFI costs.

I'm sure there's more reasons but hey, That should be enough not to go ahead with Hartlebury waste treatment {fire} plant

Plus. Well done the fire service and all those that I noticed were still there damping down this afternoon. Whatever or whoever may be to blame.

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DOEPUBLIC says...
9:54am Sat 15 Dec 12

lizrobmax, well done to your staff and , the emergency services for containing so quickly a situation that could have potentially been more serious. Sorry to see you having to disclose the context further due to ignorance on the part of individuals.

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paulsto says...
10:35am Sat 15 Dec 12

All I can say to Shibdrift and Driving instructor is.....with people comes waste and lots of it....with waste comes rodents and lots of them too.....so what do we do then......carry on with landfill and pollute this planet even more than we have done already and oh yes lets burn it and cause even more pollution, congestion, cost etc etc etc.....and even more damage to this planet. If we as a nation actually took responsibility for our waste and recycled it ourselves instead on depending on the likes of Lawrences' and other recycling plants to do it for us then lawrences' wouldn't exist would they?? no fires would happen and again no rodent infestation.... Cause and effect comes to mind.....So where else should the waste go then??? When we throw rubbish in our bins instead of ending our responsibility to it, maybe think and ask yourselves can I reduce this in any way? We have a lot to learn as a society...maybe one day we will all get it and take responsibility for our action. And as for the EA no that amount of rubbish shouldn't be there, but they also acknowledge that the alternatives are a worse scenario.
And telling the QHSE to shut up or clean up.......!!!! I think they are doing their best. Are you by reducing the amount of rubbish you throw away each day?? Thats a helpful comment!!!
On another note I have had a guided tour of the plant on many occasions and I found it interesting on how the operation and process works and how hard the staff work at Lawrences'....On a daily basis normal people like you and I manually sift through the most horrific, disgusting waste to separate it into recyclable materials and non recyclable which since it has been operating has reduced landfill considerable and produced many jobs, not just in this area, but all over the world. I know for a fact that the staff and management are working around the clock to make sure that this situation is kept under control. If anyone is in any doubt or feels they have negative comments to make, why don't they take up the offer of the QHSE and actually go and have a look before posting unhelpful and negative comments on a forum and will actually be able to make a fair assessment of things at Lawrences' instead of taking the word of newspapers and hearsay.......Well done everyone at Lawrences' for trying to make a difference to our planet and recycle 70% of OUR household waste and yes there is a fire there, but that again is due to the amount of waste...and again I ask, who produces the waste?.....Take responsibility before it is too late....
Well done to the fire service for again keeping everyone safe..and keeping control of a hazardous situation.
But if none of us want the recycling plants around the country, then what shall we do? bury our heads in the sand along with our waste and produce methane gas that damages the ozone....or shall we burn it and again destroy our ozone layer and let our future generations get cooked by the sun and see our seas rising through global warming or lastly lets dump out at sea and destroy our marine life and pollute our seas and change our eco system???? All food for thought?? So what is the alternative and best option?

All I can say to Shibdrift and Driving instructor is.....with people comes waste and lots of it....with waste comes rodents and lots of them too.....so what do we do then......carry on with landfill and pollute this planet even more than we have done already and oh yes lets burn it and cause even more pollution, congestion, cost etc etc etc.....and even more damage to this planet. If we as a nation actually took responsibility for our waste and recycled it ourselves instead on depending on the likes of Lawrences' and other recycling plants to do it for us then lawrences' wouldn't exist would they?? no fires would happen and again no rodent infestation.... Cause and effect comes to mind.....So where else should the waste go then??? When we throw rubbish in our bins instead of ending our responsibility to it, maybe think and ask yourselves can I reduce this in any way? We have a lot to learn as a society...maybe one day we will all get it and take responsibility for our action. And as for the EA no that amount of rubbish shouldn't be there, but they also acknowledge that the alternatives are a worse scenario. And telling the QHSE to shut up or clean up.......!!!! I think they are doing their best. Are you by reducing the amount of rubbish you throw away each day?? Thats a helpful comment!!! On another note I have had a guided tour of the plant on many occasions and I found it interesting on how the operation and process works and how hard the staff work at Lawrences'....On a daily basis normal people like you and I manually sift through the most horrific, disgusting waste to separate it into recyclable materials and non recyclable which since it has been operating has reduced landfill considerable and produced many jobs, not just in this area, but all over the world. I know for a fact that the staff and management are working around the clock to make sure that this situation is kept under control. If anyone is in any doubt or feels they have negative comments to make, why don't they take up the offer of the QHSE and actually go and have a look before posting unhelpful and negative comments on a forum and will actually be able to make a fair assessment of things at Lawrences' instead of taking the word of newspapers and hearsay.......Well done everyone at Lawrences' for trying to make a difference to our planet and recycle 70% of OUR household waste and yes there is a fire there, but that again is due to the amount of waste...and again I ask, who produces the waste?.....Take responsibility before it is too late.... Well done to the fire service for again keeping everyone safe..and keeping control of a hazardous situation. But if none of us want the recycling plants around the country, then what shall we do? bury our heads in the sand along with our waste and produce methane gas that damages the ozone....or shall we burn it and again destroy our ozone layer and let our future generations get cooked by the sun and see our seas rising through global warming or lastly lets dump out at sea and destroy our marine life and pollute our seas and change our eco system???? All food for thought?? So what is the alternative and best option? paulsto

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paulsto says...
10:43am Sat 15 Dec 12

Oh and lastly.....if our local authorities decide to bury or burn our waste as neilhar says.....when your taxes go up to pay for this.....and it burns a hole in your pocket.....you can write your forums about that then cant you?

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DOEPUBLIC says...
12:01pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Paulsto, you make numerous valid points. You should be congratulated on your efforts to recycle as much as possible. It is true that reuse and reduce seem to have taken second place. Can you advise as to where VHS recordable tapes could be re-used or recycled?

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Shibdrift says...
9:46pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Still some raw nerves I see

Never mind, we could all eat our rubbish and regurgitate the resulting detritus.

Oh, sorry, it appears some people already are!!!

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FranOb says...
1:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

For those going on about rat infestations. We are all within 50 yards of a rat at all times so don't blame Lawrence's!
They are doing a really valuable job on thevStourport Rd. but I do hope they will make good the damage their vehicles have done to the verge on the service road on the other side of Stourport Rd.

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Shibdrift says...
2:26pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Who says the damage was by Lawrences vehicles??

If it was, maybe they could fill the holes with some of their 'waste' then??!!

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paulsto says...
10:47pm Mon 17 Dec 12

DOEPUBLIC.....VHS tapes arent something I have ever had to recycle but I have had a quick look on google and have found this link..it may be useful....
http://www.missionre
cycling.co.uk/

And SHIBDRIFT the only waste and rubbish is what you are typing on this forum.....bless you.....you indeed have a lot to learn.....I hope one day that your views and actions change for the sake of this planet.....Have a lovely xmas xxx

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Shibdrift says...
9:23am Tue 18 Dec 12

Paulsto

Well thank you so much!?

Your sanctimonious comments provide me with nearly as much laughter as my own scribblings.

Merry CHRISTmas :o)

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paulsto says...
11:34am Tue 18 Dec 12

Shibdrift

You are very welcome and I am glad I brought some laughter into your life...Merry xmas and a very happy, cleaner and greener new year to you :-D
X

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gypsyman says...
1:08pm Tue 18 Dec 12

lol i work at Lawrence as well and i have a diferent view to that other worker, it is a dangerous place to work, health and safty dont give a dam, and, we were made to clear the place up, its a **** hole, hence the reason i am looking for another job, the place should be shut, before someone gets hurt or killed,

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DOEPUBLIC says...
2:09pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Thanks paulsto for the link but it doesn't deal with VHS tapes. Having Google before, it seem Bristol is the nearest with a collection charge involved.

gypsyman this link could be of help

http://edukayted.blo
gspot.co.uk/2012/12/
whistle-while-you-wo
rk.html

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Shibdrift says...
2:15pm Tue 18 Dec 12

So,
Someone else (gypsyman) who sees the place without the rose tinted glasses so popular with some readers!

I wonder when those in authority will take theirs off??!!!

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Stephen Brown says...
3:32pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Neilhar is right - the Hartlebury PFI incinerator will not only cost us near £1billion over 25 years, it will generate a financial black hole of £6million a year, meaning cuts elsewhere, and it will reduce recycling as it needs the best burning materials like paper, plastic etc to make it work. And as for the energy from waste aspect - that is just nowhere near at the moment so will reduce its effectiveness and financial viability.

On the plant fire itself, what actually caused it? Surely that is the key issue here along with measures to ensure no future repetition of it?

The HSE rarely prosecute in my experience, they prefer not to. And just because the plant has not been prosecuted does not mean there are not issues.

However, if as it is stated, the HSE visit often that is worrying in itself. Most well run businesses with effective health and safety won't see an inspector for years on end - due to HSE funding cuts and so their focusing on the businesses they see as 'most risky' requiring inspection. Risk is relative of course as some work is more risky than others but risk can be mitigated by good safety practice, staff (union) involvement, and proper HS training and awareness for all. So are all these things actually in place or is there a lack of same and that is why the HSE choose to visit frequently? Unionised workplaces have a statistically much better safety record than non unionised places.

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gypsyman says...
4:11pm Tue 18 Dec 12

poor safty and pure ignorance from the owners is what caused it, not listenig to the advice they were given, and if all the sprinklers were working (which i can asure you they wernt) then this would never of been as bad as it ended up being, cant wait to get a new job, the place wants closing down..... worked there for 2 years now and it will never change

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