Richard Taylor aims to be doctor in the House – at 80

Kidderminster Shuttle: Commons’ goal: Dr Richard Taylor has announced he is bidding for a surprise return to Parliament in 2015. Picture: Miriam Balfry. 311339M. Commons’ goal: Dr Richard Taylor has announced he is bidding for a surprise return to Parliament in 2015. Picture: Miriam Balfry. 311339M.

FORMER Wyre Forest MP Dr Richard Taylor is bidding for a shock return to Parliament at the age of 80.

Dr Taylor, currently 79, served for two terms between 2001 and 2010, and says he has been prompted to launch a comeback attempt in 2015 following the Government’s “disastrous NHS reforms”.

He described having the same deep sense of anger as when he was first elected MP during an ultimately unsuccessful campaign to stop the downgrading of Kidderminster’s hospital.

He held his seat in 2005 but in 2010 was ousted by more than 2,500 votes. by current Conservative MP Mark Garnier.

Until today, Dr Taylor had refused to confirm or deny constant rumours he would run again in the general election on May 7, 2015, shortly before his 81st birthday.

But he has now told The Shuttle he will be the candidate for Independent Community and Health Concern, for which he is life president.

Dr Taylor is also co-founder of National Health Action, a recently- formed affiliated party, but he will be standing under the ICHC banner.

The former Parliamentarian told The Shuttle he had been thinking of running for “quite a long time”.

He said the final straw came last Saturday when reading a newspaper article about financial problems within the NHS which, he believes, have been caused by changes made in the Coalition’s 2012 Health and Social Care Act.

He said: “I cannot sit by and watch the current Government’s un-mandated devastation of our cherished NHS.”

He added voters did not trust David Cameron or Labour with the health service.

When elected in 2001, Dr Taylor won 58 per cent of the vote, riding a wave of fury over the threat to take services away from Kidderminster General Hospital. His support, however, dipped to 39 per cent in 2005 and 31 per cent in 2010.

“It was anger that made me stand in 2001 and it is anger on a much wider issue making me stand this time,” he said.

“Private providers have realised they can now make a profit from illness. This is absolutely appalling.”

He added: “I think the people of Wyre Forest know when I was MP I took on everybody’s problems and really tried to help across the board and certainly I was not a single issue MP – you cannot be – you have to take on everything people bring you.

“I have a huge advantage being independent – you do not have to follow anybody’s whip. If the Government are right on one matter you can vote with them, if they are wrong on something else you can vote against them.”

Dr Taylor remained tightlipped on stances he might take on other issues such as the economy and Britain’s membership of the European Union.

He said he hoped his announcement would show the Government there was “real concern” about the current state of the NHS.

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9:04am Thu 1 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

Well done Dr Taylor!
Well done Dr Taylor! Gobby Robby

9:36am Thu 1 Aug 13

Poppasmurf says...

Sorry, Dr Taylor. I voted for you three times in the last three elections, but you are now too old. I shall be voting UKIP at the coming General Election.
Sorry, Dr Taylor. I voted for you three times in the last three elections, but you are now too old. I shall be voting UKIP at the coming General Election. Poppasmurf

5:35pm Thu 1 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

Who cares how old he is if he's good enough to do the job?
Who cares how old he is if he's good enough to do the job? Gobby Robby

6:18pm Thu 1 Aug 13

harryurz says...

The oldest current MP is apparently Sir Peter Tapsell, aged 82. So Doc Taylor -if elected- would be a veritable youngster in comparison!!
The oldest current MP is apparently Sir Peter Tapsell, aged 82. So Doc Taylor -if elected- would be a veritable youngster in comparison!! harryurz

1:36pm Fri 2 Aug 13

DOEPUBLIC says...

It is understandable that this decision has been made. It shows, however that there is little depth of leadership within ICHC to take up the mantle.

The reality is that private interests have been allowed to destabilise all the public services with the collusion of the majority of politicians. 40% of people choose not to respond. The duty of care towards the community has been reduced to a financial cost. While Thinking local and Acting local fails to get beyond party interest. Those with the power are failing to healthily engage, empower and enable the community. Let alone value it appropriately.
It is understandable that this decision has been made. It shows, however that there is little depth of leadership within ICHC to take up the mantle. The reality is that private interests have been allowed to destabilise all the public services with the collusion of the majority of politicians. 40% of people choose not to respond. The duty of care towards the community has been reduced to a financial cost. While Thinking local and Acting local fails to get beyond party interest. Those with the power are failing to healthily engage, empower and enable the community. Let alone value it appropriately. DOEPUBLIC

2:48pm Fri 2 Aug 13

John Potter says...

I can't believe that I actuall;y agree with Gobby Robby!
I can't believe that I actuall;y agree with Gobby Robby! John Potter

3:27pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Poppasmurf says...

I voted for Dr Taylor at the last election against my better judgement because I thought he was too old then (and so is Peter Tapsell) to do the job of MP as it should be done. I have worked in the House of Commons and know what it takes to be an MP. It's not just sitting on the Commons benches every day. It entails travelling between the constituency and London, keeping in contact with all the different ministries (frequently in person) and major industries (not all in Westminster), answering mail from constituents (up to 500 letters a week), meeting constituents in the HoC and frequently taking them on tours of the place, taking part in debates and voting in the lobbies (often until 10pm or later), attending and voting in committees (starting at 10am). In the constituency, an MP has to be on duty virtually 24 hours a day, and includes all sorts of duties such as attending meetings with councils, councillors, voters, party workers, schoolchildren, pressure groups, charities, giving interviews and writing columns for newspapers, appearing on TV, and being nice to everyone he or she meets! Really, the only thing about Parliamentary life that is conducive to being an Octogenarian is the 12/13 weeks annual holiday MP's receive. If Dr Taylor had realised this prior to the next election, and ICHC had selected another younger candidate, they may well have won the 2010 election. Add to this the cost to the taxpayer and council taxpayer of a parliamentary by-election, probably in the region of £75k, if it is needed, make the adoption or selection of the 80 year old for a five year term a very risky business indeed. One only needs to look in the House of Lords when it is in session to see how octogenarian Parliamentarians can be, and they have none of the pressures of being an MP. Maybe we should ask our present MP to press for Dr Taylor to be ennobled, although I realise he hasn't donated a million or two to his party. That way he could give us all the benefit of his experience without having the pressures of everyday Parliamentary life.
I voted for Dr Taylor at the last election against my better judgement because I thought he was too old then (and so is Peter Tapsell) to do the job of MP as it should be done. I have worked in the House of Commons and know what it takes to be an MP. It's not just sitting on the Commons benches every day. It entails travelling between the constituency and London, keeping in contact with all the different ministries (frequently in person) and major industries (not all in Westminster), answering mail from constituents (up to 500 letters a week), meeting constituents in the HoC and frequently taking them on tours of the place, taking part in debates and voting in the lobbies (often until 10pm or later), attending and voting in committees (starting at 10am). In the constituency, an MP has to be on duty virtually 24 hours a day, and includes all sorts of duties such as attending meetings with councils, councillors, voters, party workers, schoolchildren, pressure groups, charities, giving interviews and writing columns for newspapers, appearing on TV, and being nice to everyone he or she meets! Really, the only thing about Parliamentary life that is conducive to being an Octogenarian is the 12/13 weeks annual holiday MP's receive. If Dr Taylor had realised this prior to the next election, and ICHC had selected another younger candidate, they may well have won the 2010 election. Add to this the cost to the taxpayer and council taxpayer of a parliamentary by-election, probably in the region of £75k, if it is needed, make the adoption or selection of the 80 year old for a five year term a very risky business indeed. One only needs to look in the House of Lords when it is in session to see how octogenarian Parliamentarians can be, and they have none of the pressures of being an MP. Maybe we should ask our present MP to press for Dr Taylor to be ennobled, although I realise he hasn't donated a million or two to his party. That way he could give us all the benefit of his experience without having the pressures of everyday Parliamentary life. Poppasmurf

4:31pm Fri 2 Aug 13

harryurz says...

John Potter wrote:
I can't believe that I actuall;y agree with Gobby Robby!
Even Grobert robert has to be right once in a while....the law of averages!!!!
[quote][p][bold]John Potter[/bold] wrote: I can't believe that I actuall;y agree with Gobby Robby![/p][/quote]Even Grobert robert has to be right once in a while....the law of averages!!!! harryurz

4:33pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

@John Potter - I bet you agree with me all the time on the quiet John ;-)

@Poppasmurf - Most sensible people (not some of the unhinged people who come on here who hate all politicians whatever they do) don't expect an MP to be all things to all people - some spend all day in the Commons debating, some have high powered jobs running the country (the Cabinet) and some are constituency MP's who work almost exclusively within their constituency. I bet most people would prefer Dr Taylor pursuing his NHS thing while doing a bit for the constituency to Mark Garnier pusuing his career and sitting on committees letting off the bankers.

Besides Poppasmurf you said you were going to vote for the BNP here

http://www.kiddermin
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so presumably you'd vote for an MP who wouldn't represent half his constituents thus discrediting your post.

Just goes to show UKIP = BNP in blazers ;-)
@John Potter - I bet you agree with me all the time on the quiet John ;-) @Poppasmurf - Most sensible people (not some of the unhinged people who come on here who hate all politicians whatever they do) don't expect an MP to be all things to all people - some spend all day in the Commons debating, some have high powered jobs running the country (the Cabinet) and some are constituency MP's who work almost exclusively within their constituency. I bet most people would prefer Dr Taylor pursuing his NHS thing while doing a bit for the constituency to Mark Garnier pusuing his career and sitting on committees letting off the bankers. Besides Poppasmurf you said you were going to vote for the BNP here http://www.kiddermin stershuttle.co.uk/ne ws/4371141.Fury_at_B NP_s_first_candidate / so presumably you'd vote for an MP who wouldn't represent half his constituents thus discrediting your post. Just goes to show UKIP = BNP in blazers ;-) Gobby Robby

6:05pm Fri 2 Aug 13

John Herbert Smith says...

I like Dr Taylor a lot and have voted for him in the past.

However, Dr Taylor and UKIP standing will GUARANTEE that the Tories win (not necessarily a bad thing if it prevents Labour winning the election).

The only party in Wyre Forest capable of beating the Tories are UKIP.

Labour - say no more, the economy is in recovery even after the cuts we have had, the public have had enough of the "benefits culture" and goodness know what our finances would have looked like if Labour had won.

Lib Dems - have proven they are not fit for government and prioritised AV and Lords reform over making essential cuts (plus they rarely stand in WF).

One thing I will say: the election will be interesting now and not a easy win for the Tories!
I like Dr Taylor a lot and have voted for him in the past. However, Dr Taylor and UKIP standing will GUARANTEE that the Tories win (not necessarily a bad thing if it prevents Labour winning the election). The only party in Wyre Forest capable of beating the Tories are UKIP. Labour - say no more, the economy is in recovery even after the cuts we have had, the public have had enough of the "benefits culture" and goodness know what our finances would have looked like if Labour had won. Lib Dems - have proven they are not fit for government and prioritised AV and Lords reform over making essential cuts (plus they rarely stand in WF). One thing I will say: the election will be interesting now and not a easy win for the Tories! John Herbert Smith

6:42pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Poppasmurf says...

My goodness, Gobby. Having to go back to 2009 when the politic outlook was so different from what it is now. You omitted to say I'd also spoil my ballot in protest at the lack of action on a local matter by ANY politician. It is typical of you to deal in generalities when other talk about facts. Unlike you, I have voted Conservative, Labour, ICHC, UKIP and Independent when I have felt the need. At the Euro election referred to, I voted UKIP and not BNP who I believe are not representative of a majority of people in this country, unlike UKIP who are.
My goodness, Gobby. Having to go back to 2009 when the politic outlook was so different from what it is now. You omitted to say I'd also spoil my ballot in protest at the lack of action on a local matter by ANY politician. It is typical of you to deal in generalities when other talk about facts. Unlike you, I have voted Conservative, Labour, ICHC, UKIP and Independent when I have felt the need. At the Euro election referred to, I voted UKIP and not BNP who I believe are not representative of a majority of people in this country, unlike UKIP who are. Poppasmurf

8:32pm Fri 2 Aug 13

John Herbert Smith says...

UKIP will almost certainly win the Euro election.

Whether they'll break into the commons is a different matter and depends on whether there is some sort of pact with the Tories to prevent Ed Milliband getting in and undoing all of Osborne's unpopular (but necessary) work.

Even if they do, it'll just be a handful of seats, mainly in areas worst affected by too much immigration.
UKIP will almost certainly win the Euro election. Whether they'll break into the commons is a different matter and depends on whether there is some sort of pact with the Tories to prevent Ed Milliband getting in and undoing all of Osborne's unpopular (but necessary) work. Even if they do, it'll just be a handful of seats, mainly in areas worst affected by too much immigration. John Herbert Smith

10:04pm Fri 2 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

@JHS - " the economy is in recovery even after the cuts we have had" - after three years we finally have a teensy bit of growth....what was it 0.4 or 0.6%? If you're hailing that as a victory for Tory economics then I must have strayed into an Orwellian nightmare. Osborne inherited a nice bit of growth and it carried on for a while after he got in...and then he started cutting too early, too far and too fast which caused the Osborne collapse.
"and goodness know what our finances would have looked like if Labour had won" - they would be in far better shape and it can be proved. At the same time as we embarked on Osborne's calamitous cutting strategy the USA employed what Labour's policy was - Keynesian stimulus spending - and it worked with their economy powering into proper growth almost immediately.
Under Osborne net borrowing is UP compared to last year instead of going down - which is what austerity was meant to be about – he’s doing the opposite!
As for UKIP's economics even Osborne would look competent compared to drunken Godfrey Bloom and steadier drinker Nigel Farage's back to the poll tax era 'flat rate tax' making sure the billionaires pay no more than a window cleaner. Yikes!
@JHS - " the economy is in recovery even after the cuts we have had" - after three years we finally have a teensy bit of growth....what was it 0.4 or 0.6%? If you're hailing that as a victory for Tory economics then I must have strayed into an Orwellian nightmare. Osborne inherited a nice bit of growth and it carried on for a while after he got in...and then he started cutting too early, too far and too fast which caused the Osborne collapse. "and goodness know what our finances would have looked like if Labour had won" - they would be in far better shape and it can be proved. At the same time as we embarked on Osborne's calamitous cutting strategy the USA employed what Labour's policy was - Keynesian stimulus spending - and it worked with their economy powering into proper growth almost immediately. Under Osborne net borrowing is UP compared to last year instead of going down - which is what austerity was meant to be about – he’s doing the opposite! As for UKIP's economics even Osborne would look competent compared to drunken Godfrey Bloom and steadier drinker Nigel Farage's back to the poll tax era 'flat rate tax' making sure the billionaires pay no more than a window cleaner. Yikes! Gobby Robby

11:14am Sat 3 Aug 13

jon cooper says...

It's a huge pity that it won't be possible for 'Gobby' to use every single persona that he's used on the Shuttle online - as well as other online forums - to vote for Dr Taylor come May 2015. If he could i'm sure 'Dr T' will romp home.

But that's a debate that he can argue amongst 'HIMSELF' i'm sure ;-)
It's a huge pity that it won't be possible for 'Gobby' to use every single persona that he's used on the Shuttle online - as well as other online forums - to vote for Dr Taylor come May 2015. If he could i'm sure 'Dr T' will romp home. But that's a debate that he can argue amongst 'HIMSELF' i'm sure ;-) jon cooper

7:13pm Sat 3 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

I didn't say i'd be voting for him, just congratulating him. Still good to see Jon not engaging with the arguments and throwing the same unprovoked personal abuse, always amusing. However, I would be grateful if Jon could AMPLIFY which other online forum i'm supposed to indulge in the myth of arguing with myself on, i'd be grateful to know so I can AMPLIFY my response.
I didn't say i'd be voting for him, just congratulating him. Still good to see Jon not engaging with the arguments and throwing the same unprovoked personal abuse, always amusing. However, I would be grateful if Jon could AMPLIFY which other online forum i'm supposed to indulge in the myth of arguing with myself on, i'd be grateful to know so I can AMPLIFY my response. Gobby Robby

11:15pm Sat 3 Aug 13

jon cooper says...

@ the quite laughably named 'Gobby': Stating the blunt truth isn't throwing personal abuse whatsoever. Your previous insinuations against fellow commentators in the past certainly is; and it's certainly not amusing to the recipients of your personal wrath, especially when you show complete cowardice of commentating through a variety of tongues rather than just one ... your own !

For anyone who knows the real YOU, (and i'm one of them), will realise it's a complete nonsense to assume you'd vote for 'Dr T' or any other politician for that matter who doesn't wear a red rosette. That's why I find it not only amusing, but hilarious that your more 'gobbier' incarnation congratulates 'Dr T' for standing in 2015, when your REAL self has a personal hatred for anything to do with ICHC. It's much the same as congratulating Mark Garnier for his hairstyle; or did that little gem come from one of your other personas ????

I have a feeling i'll be in for a very long wait indeed: but If you want to ''AMPLIFY'' your response, why not show the courage of your convictions by using your real name just for once without the aid of any of your alter-egos. I understand it might be a little to much to ask for you to come from behind the famous 'armchair', but at least give it a try, you might even find it even more liberating ... Maybe ?

That is all ;-)
@ the quite laughably named 'Gobby': Stating the blunt truth isn't throwing personal abuse whatsoever. Your previous insinuations against fellow commentators in the past certainly is; and it's certainly not amusing to the recipients of your personal wrath, especially when you show complete cowardice of commentating through a variety of tongues rather than just one ... your own ! For anyone who knows the real YOU, (and i'm one of them), will realise it's a complete nonsense to assume you'd vote for 'Dr T' or any other politician for that matter who doesn't wear a red rosette. That's why I find it not only amusing, but hilarious that your more 'gobbier' incarnation congratulates 'Dr T' for standing in 2015, when your REAL self has a personal hatred for anything to do with ICHC. It's much the same as congratulating Mark Garnier for his hairstyle; or did that little gem come from one of your other personas ???? I have a feeling i'll be in for a very long wait indeed: but If you want to ''AMPLIFY'' your response, why not show the courage of your convictions by using your real name just for once without the aid of any of your alter-egos. I understand it might be a little to much to ask for you to come from behind the famous 'armchair', but at least give it a try, you might even find it even more liberating ... Maybe ? That is all ;-) jon cooper

12:15am Sun 4 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

Jon you've just embarrassed yourself, do you not read posts before going off half ****? I just said "I didn't say i'd be voting for him" after previously giving a lengthy defence of Labour economic policy so your " it's a complete nonsense to assume you'd vote for 'Dr T' or any other politician for that matter who doesn't wear a red rosette" is a statement of the obvious. Unlike yourself (and most people) I've always been upfront about my political affiliations so why you're making a big announcement about something that I wear on my sleeve is once again highly irrational.
"throwing personal abuse..." - except for 1 or 2 occasions I have only insulted people after they have insulted me or if they've said something racist/homophobic. I make no apologies for this, if people can't take it they shouldn't give it out should they?
As for your obsession with you posting under your own name this is again highly irrational. 90% of people post under a pseudonym (and i have already explained to you why i post under a pseudonym) so to just keep ranting at people who disagree with you for doing so but not to anyone else is completely nonsensical. It's basically a way of trying to stifle debate like 'put up or shut up'. So you'll be waiting for a long time, maybe as long as we'll be waiting for you to express your real political views not the sanitised politically correct ones edited for public consumption ;-)
Jon you've just embarrassed yourself, do you not read posts before going off half ****? I just said "I didn't say i'd be voting for him" after previously giving a lengthy defence of Labour economic policy so your " it's a complete nonsense to assume you'd vote for 'Dr T' or any other politician for that matter who doesn't wear a red rosette" is a statement of the obvious. Unlike yourself (and most people) I've always been upfront about my political affiliations so why you're making a big announcement about something that I wear on my sleeve is once again highly irrational. "throwing personal abuse..." - except for 1 or 2 occasions I have only insulted people after they have insulted me or if they've said something racist/homophobic. I make no apologies for this, if people can't take it they shouldn't give it out should they? As for your obsession with you posting under your own name this is again highly irrational. 90% of people post under a pseudonym (and i have already explained to you why i post under a pseudonym) so to just keep ranting at people who disagree with you for doing so but not to anyone else is completely nonsensical. It's basically a way of trying to stifle debate like 'put up or shut up'. So you'll be waiting for a long time, maybe as long as we'll be waiting for you to express your real political views not the sanitised politically correct ones edited for public consumption ;-) Gobby Robby

12:36am Sun 4 Aug 13

John Herbert Smith says...

Gobby, it is true that borrowing is not as low as we'd hope, because the Euro crisis was worse than Osborne planned. The deficit has been reduced by a third though, which would have increased under Labour.

How can you say that Labour would have spent more and then for the country's finances be in a better place?! Borrowing would be even higher! Don't say the economy would have been better, the Euro crisis would have dragged us down and Darlings borrowing bubble would have burst with a double dip recession (we AVOIDED a double dip recession thanks to Osborne).

Yes, there was a brief dip in the economy due to the cuts, but it is the pain before the gain. You can't do a Labour and keep spending other people's money - eventually it runs out! Once the economy is back on track, we'll have less dependance on the welfare state, which had got bloated, less debt and be in a much better place. Every Labour government since WW2 has left the economy in tatters. Labour even left David Laws a note "there is no money left". Pure incompetence.

Labour's obsession with taxing wealth is also worrying (i.e. the 50% rate), if you tax wealth, there is less incentive to create wealth and talented people leave the country (like they have in France). We need to encourage wealth. At the end of the day, the bankers and highly paid City workers are the ones who fund the NHS. Partners/executives who are on 6 or 7 figure salaries and bonuses will be paying many thousands each in tax each year. The big City companies will be paying millions in NI contributions to pay for benefits.

I am a support of a Welfare state in principal (e.g. free healthcare and winter fuel allowance / bus passes for poor pensioners; job seekers allowance etc), but Labour's obsession with getting as much as the country dependent on welfare as possible and creating a situation where generations live a life on benefits (paying more for each child) is ridiculous.

It was fun while it lasted, but the time has come to derail the gravy train and stop spending other people's money! It has run out.
Gobby, it is true that borrowing is not as low as we'd hope, because the Euro crisis was worse than Osborne planned. The deficit has been reduced by a third though, which would have increased under Labour. How can you say that Labour would have spent more and then for the country's finances be in a better place?! Borrowing would be even higher! Don't say the economy would have been better, the Euro crisis would have dragged us down and Darlings borrowing bubble would have burst with a double dip recession (we AVOIDED a double dip recession thanks to Osborne). Yes, there was a brief dip in the economy due to the cuts, but it is the pain before the gain. You can't do a Labour and keep spending other people's money - eventually it runs out! Once the economy is back on track, we'll have less dependance on the welfare state, which had got bloated, less debt and be in a much better place. Every Labour government since WW2 has left the economy in tatters. Labour even left David Laws a note "there is no money left". Pure incompetence. Labour's obsession with taxing wealth is also worrying (i.e. the 50% rate), if you tax wealth, there is less incentive to create wealth and talented people leave the country (like they have in France). We need to encourage wealth. At the end of the day, the bankers and highly paid City workers are the ones who fund the NHS. Partners/executives who are on 6 or 7 figure salaries and bonuses will be paying many thousands each in tax each year. The big City companies will be paying millions in NI contributions to pay for benefits. I am a support of a Welfare state in principal (e.g. free healthcare and winter fuel allowance / bus passes for poor pensioners; job seekers allowance etc), but Labour's obsession with getting as much as the country dependent on welfare as possible and creating a situation where generations live a life on benefits (paying more for each child) is ridiculous. It was fun while it lasted, but the time has come to derail the gravy train and stop spending other people's money! It has run out. John Herbert Smith

9:04am Sun 4 Aug 13

Stephen Brown says...

I thought this was about Dr Taylor standing again as MP but here goes...

The Tory 'economic model' of cuts has nothing to do with getting the country back on its feet it is an ideologically driven agenda to reinforce the wealth gap and ensure those at the top stay at the top. You only have to look at the earnings and relative wealth statistics to realise that. The wealth gap was falling consistently since 1945 and that came to an abrupt halt in 1979 the last time the Tories held power and that gap has been increasing ever since, no thanks in part to the last Govt's policies, something they should not be proud of. In fact, everything that caused this current problem and shifted our manufacturing abroad to the advantage of the few, certainly not the many. Nothing has changed so far as I can see. We suffer, we pay, yet the few get away scott free and are richer than before. So pray tell me what has actually changed? Nothing!

The current 'growth' is unsustainable because its key components mean rising inflation and falling wages - and if wages don't rise then all the problems that caused the last crash will pop up again sooner or later - debt. No surprise people are struggling then. And simply cutting and throwing people out of work (we still have over 1 million young people unemployed) without investment in key areas will lead to rising borrowing and rising deficit - exactly what we had and will get again when this temporary respite bursts. Cuts as a means to end recession has never worked and never will yet somehow folks still peddle this lie and worse still others believe it.

So far from being an economic success story and cuts being necessary - it's a fallacy - as is relying on finance and banking for the bedrock of our economy. This country needs to re-connect with manufacturing and base that around new technologies and green industries which is the fastest growing part of our economy - and no thanks to Tory policies who think quick fixes like fracking and tax breaks for causing looming environmental disasters is the way forward. Frankly what we have are dinosaur policies dreamed up by economic dinosaurs.

Sorry, but I cannot get excited about our reliance on banking to fund the NHS - some of these bankers are the characters who caused this crisis in the first place. In any case a few individuals who dodge tax and require banking bailouts are nothing to sing about in such a positive light. The NHS remains probably Labour's enduring success story. It is for us all funded by us all so lets not get disproportionate about who pays for it. And so far as I can see the latest attack on the NHS in the form of the Health & Social Care Act is just another Tory nail in the soon to be coffin of the NHS (Dr Taylors point in effect). The Tories won't be happy until we are all back on a pre-war economic model including private healthcare and no welfare state - and what a blinding success that was (irony for those of you that don't get it).

So if Dr Taylor is standing to point this little fact out and is concerned about what is happening to the NHS, then fair play to him. In any case, I think if you check all the so called now 4 (so some would have us believe) 'main parties' manifestos they all buy into the same pro-privatisation pro-pfi agenda, so just what 'choice' you will actually get from them in the next election is actually a mute point.

Certainly the next general election in Wyre Forest will be interesting but I think more interesting will be who stands, I expect some musical chairs.....
I thought this was about Dr Taylor standing again as MP but here goes... The Tory 'economic model' of cuts has nothing to do with getting the country back on its feet it is an ideologically driven agenda to reinforce the wealth gap and ensure those at the top stay at the top. You only have to look at the earnings and relative wealth statistics to realise that. The wealth gap was falling consistently since 1945 and that came to an abrupt halt in 1979 the last time the Tories held power and that gap has been increasing ever since, no thanks in part to the last Govt's policies, something they should not be proud of. In fact, everything that caused this current problem and shifted our manufacturing abroad to the advantage of the few, certainly not the many. Nothing has changed so far as I can see. We suffer, we pay, yet the few get away scott free and are richer than before. So pray tell me what has actually changed? Nothing! The current 'growth' is unsustainable because its key components mean rising inflation and falling wages - and if wages don't rise then all the problems that caused the last crash will pop up again sooner or later - debt. No surprise people are struggling then. And simply cutting and throwing people out of work (we still have over 1 million young people unemployed) without investment in key areas will lead to rising borrowing and rising deficit - exactly what we had and will get again when this temporary respite bursts. Cuts as a means to end recession has never worked and never will yet somehow folks still peddle this lie and worse still others believe it. So far from being an economic success story and cuts being necessary - it's a fallacy - as is relying on finance and banking for the bedrock of our economy. This country needs to re-connect with manufacturing and base that around new technologies and green industries which is the fastest growing part of our economy - and no thanks to Tory policies who think quick fixes like fracking and tax breaks for causing looming environmental disasters is the way forward. Frankly what we have are dinosaur policies dreamed up by economic dinosaurs. Sorry, but I cannot get excited about our reliance on banking to fund the NHS - some of these bankers are the characters who caused this crisis in the first place. In any case a few individuals who dodge tax and require banking bailouts are nothing to sing about in such a positive light. The NHS remains probably Labour's enduring success story. It is for us all funded by us all so lets not get disproportionate about who pays for it. And so far as I can see the latest attack on the NHS in the form of the Health & Social Care Act is just another Tory nail in the soon to be coffin of the NHS (Dr Taylors point in effect). The Tories won't be happy until we are all back on a pre-war economic model including private healthcare and no welfare state - and what a blinding success that was (irony for those of you that don't get it). So if Dr Taylor is standing to point this little fact out and is concerned about what is happening to the NHS, then fair play to him. In any case, I think if you check all the so called now 4 (so some would have us believe) 'main parties' manifestos they all buy into the same pro-privatisation pro-pfi agenda, so just what 'choice' you will actually get from them in the next election is actually a mute point. Certainly the next general election in Wyre Forest will be interesting but I think more interesting will be who stands, I expect some musical chairs..... Stephen Brown

3:08pm Sun 4 Aug 13

jon cooper says...

... With the amount of parliamentary spokespeople out there, I think it's obvious who the candidates will be come May 2015 !

Personally I don't think the the 2015 campaign in Wyre Forest will be interesting whatsoever. I predict an even worse poll than 2010, and it might even rival the dire turnouts of local council elections in recent times. Not even 'Dr T' - who I admire greatly as a non stereo-typical politician - can buck the trend in the rather disturbing growth in voter apathy in the area. From my point of view, this has nothing to do with hatred towards all politicians; it's solely down to the fact that the relationship between public representitive and voter is at its lowest ebb for years, and it's getting predictably worse !
... With the amount of parliamentary spokespeople out there, I think it's obvious who the candidates will be come May 2015 ! Personally I don't think the the 2015 campaign in Wyre Forest will be interesting whatsoever. I predict an even worse poll than 2010, and it might even rival the dire turnouts of local council elections in recent times. Not even 'Dr T' - who I admire greatly as a non stereo-typical politician - can buck the trend in the rather disturbing growth in voter apathy in the area. From my point of view, this has nothing to do with hatred towards all politicians; it's solely down to the fact that the relationship between public representitive and voter is at its lowest ebb for years, and it's getting predictably worse ! jon cooper

5:03pm Sun 4 Aug 13

emjaypee says...

Enjoy your posts now Jon C and read them in their entirety. I see Steve's posts are still longer than the duration of the average bladder though.
Enjoy your posts now Jon C and read them in their entirety. I see Steve's posts are still longer than the duration of the average bladder though. emjaypee

5:19pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Gobby Robby says...

@JHS - Firstly Labour govts don't always leave the economy in tatters, this is a Conservative myth and the lie that Labour did this last time is exposed here by a Conservative

http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html

I'm afraid the worsening debt problem has little to do with the Euro, that is just one of Osborne's many excuses which range from snow to an extra bank holiday. The fact is that the non crisis Euro countries have performed better than ours for the majority of this recession even though their currency has collapsed! If they have been performing better in these conditions then it wholeheartedly disproves Osborne's Euro excuse. Borrowing has increased in line with our worsening economic performance - fewer jobs means more paid out in benefits and less tax take. This was all predicted by people such as the only MPC member to forecast the recession David Blanchflower, as it is basic economics - if you cut excessively before growth has been fully established you will simply kill off that growth and push the economy back towards recession and this is what has happened. And let us not forget that Osborne isn't an economist. The economy was growing nicely when Osborne took over; it grew for five successive quarters from the third quarter of 2009 up to the third quarter of 2010, under Alistair Darling’s policies. Output was 4.4 per cent lower at the end of last year than it was at the start of the recession in 2008 and has shrunk in four of the past seven quarters to the end of 2012 leading to the increased borrowing. Obviously then this can only be a result of the government in power at the time. Far from Osborne saving us from a double dip this is a man who needlessly brought us to the brink of one saved only by a revision of 0.1% which brought growth to a whopping 0% so really it has only been avoided by dictionary definition. In spirit, one quarter of negative growth followed by a quarter of 0% instead of -0.1% is basically an economic calamity. As for Labour's borrowing more yes they would but this isn't a bad thing. As we are seeing in USA Obama borrowed massively to create the stimulus which has kick started the economy, then cutting the deficit can begin as it won't harm the economy as it has here. So while borrowing will rise in the short term it will fall in the long term with less people's lives ruined through long term unemployment, less damage to essential public services and less damage to our society (homeless up by two thirds since the Conservative Party came to power). Finally Osborne's latest economic strategy is as unbelievably wrong headed and crass as his deficit cutting one, his bubble creating 'help to buy scheme' has even alarmed right wingers. All he is doing is repeating the mistakes that led up to the worldwide recession with its beginnings in the US housing crash. All housing bubbles lead to a crash but unbelievably people are letting it happen again because they are seeing their house prices rise, so when the crash eventually happens in 3 or 4 years time I hope they don't go shaking their fists at politicians if they're not objecting to Osborne's lunacy now :-) or should that be :-(
@JHS - Firstly Labour govts don't always leave the economy in tatters, this is a Conservative myth and the lie that Labour did this last time is exposed here by a Conservative http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. html I'm afraid the worsening debt problem has little to do with the Euro, that is just one of Osborne's many excuses which range from snow to an extra bank holiday. The fact is that the non crisis Euro countries have performed better than ours for the majority of this recession even though their currency has collapsed! If they have been performing better in these conditions then it wholeheartedly disproves Osborne's Euro excuse. Borrowing has increased in line with our worsening economic performance - fewer jobs means more paid out in benefits and less tax take. This was all predicted by people such as the only MPC member to forecast the recession David Blanchflower, as it is basic economics - if you cut excessively before growth has been fully established you will simply kill off that growth and push the economy back towards recession and this is what has happened. And let us not forget that Osborne isn't an economist. The economy was growing nicely when Osborne took over; it grew for five successive quarters from the third quarter of 2009 up to the third quarter of 2010, under Alistair Darling’s policies. Output was 4.4 per cent lower at the end of last year than it was at the start of the recession in 2008 and has shrunk in four of the past seven quarters to the end of 2012 leading to the increased borrowing. Obviously then this can only be a result of the government in power at the time. Far from Osborne saving us from a double dip this is a man who needlessly brought us to the brink of one saved only by a revision of 0.1% which brought growth to a whopping 0% so really it has only been avoided by dictionary definition. In spirit, one quarter of negative growth followed by a quarter of 0% instead of -0.1% is basically an economic calamity. As for Labour's borrowing more yes they would but this isn't a bad thing. As we are seeing in USA Obama borrowed massively to create the stimulus which has kick started the economy, then cutting the deficit can begin as it won't harm the economy as it has here. So while borrowing will rise in the short term it will fall in the long term with less people's lives ruined through long term unemployment, less damage to essential public services and less damage to our society (homeless up by two thirds since the Conservative Party came to power). Finally Osborne's latest economic strategy is as unbelievably wrong headed and crass as his deficit cutting one, his bubble creating 'help to buy scheme' has even alarmed right wingers. All he is doing is repeating the mistakes that led up to the worldwide recession with its beginnings in the US housing crash. All housing bubbles lead to a crash but unbelievably people are letting it happen again because they are seeing their house prices rise, so when the crash eventually happens in 3 or 4 years time I hope they don't go shaking their fists at politicians if they're not objecting to Osborne's lunacy now :-) or should that be :-( Gobby Robby

6:53pm Sun 4 Aug 13

harryurz says...

Courtesy fo Greeny- Brown and Chairman grobby this thread now (YET AGAIN) reads like a series of essays from first year A level Politics students!!

PS Both graded 'D'; must do better..............
..
Courtesy fo Greeny- Brown and Chairman grobby this thread now (YET AGAIN) reads like a series of essays from first year A level Politics students!! PS Both graded 'D'; must do better.............. .. harryurz

8:42pm Sun 4 Aug 13

emjaypee says...

YAWN................
..ZZZZZZZZ
YAWN................ ..ZZZZZZZZ emjaypee

2:07pm Mon 5 Aug 13

Shibdrift says...

We'll all be 80 by the time we've read this lot!
We'll all be 80 by the time we've read this lot! Shibdrift

8:28pm Mon 5 Aug 13

Grumpy Old Blogger says...

Same old suspects, seeing a bandwagon appear, can't resist the temptation to leap aboard.
Well done Doctor T! You helped me when I was in need, back in 2008. You are truly a man of the people who will only do good for all of us. Let's hope you get the backing of all of the people of Wyre Forest. It's no more than you deserve.
Same old suspects, seeing a bandwagon appear, can't resist the temptation to leap aboard. Well done Doctor T! You helped me when I was in need, back in 2008. You are truly a man of the people who will only do good for all of us. Let's hope you get the backing of all of the people of Wyre Forest. It's no more than you deserve. Grumpy Old Blogger

8:44pm Tue 6 Aug 13

P.C kiddi says...

So all Wyre Forest has to offer is a ‘one trick’ octogenarian who would have as much knowledge of what goes on in the real world as the Toff who stands for the Conservative Party, and then we have another ‘one trick’ pony who would want to repatriate a section of our society and thinks that getting out of Europe will solve all our problems. No wonder last week only 20% of people decided to vote.

I hope the other Parties can offer more than the rather sad and tired group that are to old and staid in their ways to offer any form of real change or opportunity to those who really need to feel that Politicians have actually something to offer them. A sad state of affairs!
So all Wyre Forest has to offer is a ‘one trick’ octogenarian who would have as much knowledge of what goes on in the real world as the Toff who stands for the Conservative Party, and then we have another ‘one trick’ pony who would want to repatriate a section of our society and thinks that getting out of Europe will solve all our problems. No wonder last week only 20% of people decided to vote. I hope the other Parties can offer more than the rather sad and tired group that are to old and staid in their ways to offer any form of real change or opportunity to those who really need to feel that Politicians have actually something to offer them. A sad state of affairs! P.C kiddi

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