Kidderminster pre-school to close after 'inadequate' Ofsted report

First published in Local

A KIDDERMINSTER pre-school is to close after a damning Ofsted report prompted authorities to withdraw funding.

Staff at St Ambrose Pre-School are "devastated" by the report, which ruled the nursery inadequate in December.

Manager Sharon Kennedy said the pre-school was already in financial difficulties and the recent Ofsted report was the "straw that broke the camel’s back."

The pre-school, which is committee-run, is based in a self-contained building in St Ambrose Roman Catholic Primary School.

Its nursery education funding from Worcestershire County Council will be withdrawn from Wednesday, February 5 and the pre-school will be using its remaining funds before closing on Friday, March 28.

Ms Kennedy said in a statement: "St Ambrose Pre-school staff were devastated by our recent Ofsted inspection judgment. Our parents are our best critics and we have been overwhelmed by their support.

"The school [St Ambrose Primary School] are looking in to the possibility of a new provision although this is only in the planning stage.

"The school are understandably cautious as they will be affected by the same financial constraints that affected the current pre-school."

Parents have praised staff and expressed sadness about the closure as they say it is the only Roman Catholic pre-school in the area.

The Ofsted report, which was published on December 11, said that children's safety is "compromised" as "risk assessments are ineffective" and staff do not have a "secure knowledge of safeguarding procedure relation to the use of mobile phones".

It also stated that the "quality of teaching is poor" and "children are not always engaged in their learning".

The pre-school sent out a letter to parents before Christmas responding to the criticisms which said: "We feel our strengths and dedication to the children’s development may have been overlooked by the Ofsted inspector, who instead criticised areas which were in some part beyond our control."

Parent Kate Brazil said: "I moved my eldest daughter from Blakedown to St Ambrose Pre-School and she just thrived. My youngest is there now, she's also thrived. Us parents are completely dumbfounded by this Ofsted inspection.

"It's a Roman Catholic pre-school and as far as I'm aware, I don't know any where else that has one in the area."

She also told The Shuttle that if parents had known about the financial difficulties, she was sure some would have been able to offer support.

The letter to parents added that it was also a "traumatic time" for the staff, all of which will lose their jobs at the end of March with many having worked there for 20 or more years.

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10:34am Mon 20 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

"Roman Catholic pre-school"

What does that mean? What deeply held religious convictions are pre-school children capable of having?
"Roman Catholic pre-school" What does that mean? What deeply held religious convictions are pre-school children capable of having? walkerno5
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10:36am Mon 20 Jan 14

Accompanist says...

This is a great shame that all the positive features have been ignored.My grandchildren have attended for many years and have had first class care and love shown to them and have been extremely happy,bringing home examples of the excellent activities they have worked through with the dedicated staff.
This is a great shame that all the positive features have been ignored.My grandchildren have attended for many years and have had first class care and love shown to them and have been extremely happy,bringing home examples of the excellent activities they have worked through with the dedicated staff. Accompanist
  • Score: 42

2:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Accompanist says...

Hello walkerno5 - it just means it's part of the complex on that site.
Hello walkerno5 - it just means it's part of the complex on that site. Accompanist
  • Score: 6

4:14pm Mon 20 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

"Parents have praised staff and expressed sadness about the closure as they say it is the only Roman Catholic pre-school in the area. "

If it were a matter of sharing a site, that would not be a reason in itself for sadness. Just what is it about non-Roman Catholic pre-school education that is different?
"Parents have praised staff and expressed sadness about the closure as they say it is the only Roman Catholic pre-school in the area. " If it were a matter of sharing a site, that would not be a reason in itself for sadness. Just what is it about non-Roman Catholic pre-school education that is different? walkerno5
  • Score: -17

4:20pm Mon 20 Jan 14

paula.mole@btinternet.com says...

Devasted for my daughter, the staff and the community this great pre school serves! She has flourished since she started last year and sharon and all the staff are invaluable and have always gone the extra mile to make sure that she was happy, safe and taught, to what I feel, a very high standard! Sharon also emailed myself out of school hours on one occasion to inform me on how well Isabella had performed in some maths that day and was very pleased with her! It's a travesty if this pre-school closes.....ofsted are so way off the mark!! How can a setting possibly go from outstanding to inadequate when only improvements have been made since the outstanding report! Unbelievable!!!
Devasted for my daughter, the staff and the community this great pre school serves! She has flourished since she started last year and sharon and all the staff are invaluable and have always gone the extra mile to make sure that she was happy, safe and taught, to what I feel, a very high standard! Sharon also emailed myself out of school hours on one occasion to inform me on how well Isabella had performed in some maths that day and was very pleased with her! It's a travesty if this pre-school closes.....ofsted are so way off the mark!! How can a setting possibly go from outstanding to inadequate when only improvements have been made since the outstanding report! Unbelievable!!! paula.mole@btinternet.com
  • Score: 47

6:15pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Lemonade99 says...

St Ambrose Pre-School is a Community Pre-School not a Catholic Pre-School. St Ambrose Pre-School has strong ties with all of the Primary schools in the area. These include St Ambrose Primary, St Mary's Primary, St George's Primary, Holy Trinity etc etc.
St Ambrose Pre-School is a Community Pre-School not a Catholic Pre-School. St Ambrose Pre-School has strong ties with all of the Primary schools in the area. These include St Ambrose Primary, St Mary's Primary, St George's Primary, Holy Trinity etc etc. Lemonade99
  • Score: 27

6:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

DOEPUBLIC says...

What responsibility are Worcestershire County Council taking for the situation? Or are the staff having to carry the can? The school doesn't exist in a vacuum. Surely, someone was aware of the risks that existed!
What responsibility are Worcestershire County Council taking for the situation? Or are the staff having to carry the can? The school doesn't exist in a vacuum. Surely, someone was aware of the risks that existed! DOEPUBLIC
  • Score: 8

6:53pm Mon 20 Jan 14

kellie85 says...

This ofsted report was way off the mark as a parent of children who attend this school can only say that the dedication of staff is second to none.
Cant believe they can say its not up to standard and I know I will struggle to find another place for my child to attend that offers the same level of brilliant childcare.
Such a shame for the children parents and hard working staff.
This ofsted report was way off the mark as a parent of children who attend this school can only say that the dedication of staff is second to none. Cant believe they can say its not up to standard and I know I will struggle to find another place for my child to attend that offers the same level of brilliant childcare. Such a shame for the children parents and hard working staff. kellie85
  • Score: 22

7:31pm Mon 20 Jan 14

khfc says...

The report cites safeguarding issues and safety concerns. Ofsted have called it how they saw it over a short period of time but I am sure parents would be equally aghast if anything happened to their child whilst on the premises. Given the terrible things we here in the news about child abuse it is no surprise that inspecting authorities are going to flag up any concerns. Staff should know safeguarding policies and it is a concern that they didn't. BUT closing it down seems like an odd decision. Give the place a chance to improve.
The report cites safeguarding issues and safety concerns. Ofsted have called it how they saw it over a short period of time but I am sure parents would be equally aghast if anything happened to their child whilst on the premises. Given the terrible things we here in the news about child abuse it is no surprise that inspecting authorities are going to flag up any concerns. Staff should know safeguarding policies and it is a concern that they didn't. BUT closing it down seems like an odd decision. Give the place a chance to improve. khfc
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Natasha170710 says...

Such sad news!! My daughter attends & has been for the past year, she has come on leaps & bounds!!! The staff are excellent & I have 100% trust in them!! They have always supported my daughter & i have never even had a bad word to say about the nursery.

Visiting other nurseries I feel that they are not up to the same standards as st. Ambrose!!!

Really sad my daughter now has to leave!!
Such sad news!! My daughter attends & has been for the past year, she has come on leaps & bounds!!! The staff are excellent & I have 100% trust in them!! They have always supported my daughter & i have never even had a bad word to say about the nursery. Visiting other nurseries I feel that they are not up to the same standards as st. Ambrose!!! Really sad my daughter now has to leave!! Natasha170710
  • Score: 20

8:53pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Kate n Ben says...

My daughter has only been at st ambrose since September and me and my partner were very upset for our daughter when we heard the bad news. I have no doubt in my mind that st ambrose pre school are providing inadequate care for my child. I would be the first person to 'safeguard' my child and my daughter will not be leaving until the end, Sharon and her team have been fantastic and my daughter has learnt so much and created wonderful relationships with people. I work long hours but Sharon would always update me via email or phone. My daughter has been to three different nurserys/pre school and this by far has been the best!!
My daughter has only been at st ambrose since September and me and my partner were very upset for our daughter when we heard the bad news. I have no doubt in my mind that st ambrose pre school are providing inadequate care for my child. I would be the first person to 'safeguard' my child and my daughter will not be leaving until the end, Sharon and her team have been fantastic and my daughter has learnt so much and created wonderful relationships with people. I work long hours but Sharon would always update me via email or phone. My daughter has been to three different nurserys/pre school and this by far has been the best!! Kate n Ben
  • Score: 8

9:23pm Mon 20 Jan 14

amyreynolds says...

This is the email i sent to sharon and parents when i heard of the news ive copied it on here as im more than happy for all to read : Hi, I'm Katie's mum, Firstly I must say to everybody concerned including staff i'm so sorry to hear this awful news, as far as i'm concerned it is a fantastic nursery and has been absolutely brilliant with katie both educational and emotional! What a great loss it will be. The main reason I am replying though is I was one of the parents ofsted asked to speak to and this is my opinion of the inspector: Firstly she introduced herself and asked if she could ask me some questions- I agreed gladly, she tried to start straight away even though Katie was stood next to me waiting to go in- I was only just starting to take her coat off- needless to say... she had to wait until I was ready, my child comes first! Next she worked her way down a tick box sheet of questions- barely writing anything down that I had said ( apparently not relevant to her tick box). Her questions were quick fire ones with rushed answers- questions included- do you know who the manager is? do you know who to complain to? do you know where the school policys are? to all of these I answered yes, expecting to be asked for a 'proper' answer or explanation, she simply ticked a box! I must say I thought id done my best to give a good report but felt rather deflated at the end as there were more important questions I felt she could have asked and given me longer for answers! but she wasn't that interested and I felt that what she had done was just a formality, and she just wanted to get inside the nursery! So I can fully see why Sharon feels she has to justify this report after coming up against that inspector! ( although I don't feel she should) what else concerns me is the inspectors attitude at having to wait for Sharon to phone for confirmation of who she was. I would expect Sharon to do that as i would be extremely annoyed and angry if she just allowed just anybody to walk in! People do con other people and thank you for safe guarding our children. Sorry I cant do more for the pre-school and what I've said to the inspector hasn't made a scrap of difference.
I would also like to add to this what a loss that this community will lose.. another choice for our children and circumstances taken away! katies time at nursery has been filled with fun, love and education- shes a bright little girl who wouldn't have got as far as she's got without them. as for children aimlessly walking around katie was probably one of those... its called lost in imagination in katies case! and yes the train was fixed as was planned... but if it was really that bad then the inspector failed in her job as she should have shut it off from use..... proves it was just another excuse for was they already decided before even starting! amy hyde
This is the email i sent to sharon and parents when i heard of the news ive copied it on here as im more than happy for all to read : Hi, I'm Katie's mum, Firstly I must say to everybody concerned including staff i'm so sorry to hear this awful news, as far as i'm concerned it is a fantastic nursery and has been absolutely brilliant with katie both educational and emotional! What a great loss it will be. The main reason I am replying though is I was one of the parents ofsted asked to speak to and this is my opinion of the inspector: Firstly she introduced herself and asked if she could ask me some questions- I agreed gladly, she tried to start straight away even though Katie was stood next to me waiting to go in- I was only just starting to take her coat off- needless to say... she had to wait until I was ready, my child comes first! Next she worked her way down a tick box sheet of questions- barely writing anything down that I had said ( apparently not relevant to her tick box). Her questions were quick fire ones with rushed answers- questions included- do you know who the manager is? do you know who to complain to? do you know where the school policys are? to all of these I answered yes, expecting to be asked for a 'proper' answer or explanation, she simply ticked a box! I must say I thought id done my best to give a good report but felt rather deflated at the end as there were more important questions I felt she could have asked and given me longer for answers! but she wasn't that interested and I felt that what she had done was just a formality, and she just wanted to get inside the nursery! So I can fully see why Sharon feels she has to justify this report after coming up against that inspector! ( although I don't feel she should) what else concerns me is the inspectors attitude at having to wait for Sharon to phone for confirmation of who she was. I would expect Sharon to do that as i would be extremely annoyed and angry if she just allowed just anybody to walk in! People do con other people and thank you for safe guarding our children. Sorry I cant do more for the pre-school and what I've said to the inspector hasn't made a scrap of difference. I would also like to add to this what a loss that this community will lose.. another choice for our children and circumstances taken away! katies time at nursery has been filled with fun, love and education- shes a bright little girl who wouldn't have got as far as she's got without them. as for children aimlessly walking around katie was probably one of those... its called lost in imagination in katies case! and yes the train was fixed as was planned... but if it was really that bad then the inspector failed in her job as she should have shut it off from use..... proves it was just another excuse for was they already decided before even starting! amy hyde amyreynolds
  • Score: 21

10:04pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Gruffalomumma says...

Three of my children have been to St Ambrose Preschool and I am sincerely hoping and praying my fourth will be able to as well! I have nothing but praise for these amazing ladies. They are a fantastic team who not only look after the children as if they were their own but give amazing support to families. One of my children had to undergo the process of SEN or Statement of Educational Needs during her time at St Ambrose Preschool. She has since been diagnosed with Autism and a significant learning disability and is not in mainstream education. My child's needs were significant enough to warrant a specialist nursery place but 'surprise surprise' there wasn't one available for her. St Ambrose gave her her preschool education and were amazing with her. They allowed her to come in before the other children to help her settle and accommodated her in so many other ways. I never once doubted the safety and care of my children during their time at preschool. I disagree totally that St Ambrose Preschool is inadequate. Far from it! I will seriously struggle to find anything half as good as it! I really hope it can be saved.
Three of my children have been to St Ambrose Preschool and I am sincerely hoping and praying my fourth will be able to as well! I have nothing but praise for these amazing ladies. They are a fantastic team who not only look after the children as if they were their own but give amazing support to families. One of my children had to undergo the process of SEN or Statement of Educational Needs during her time at St Ambrose Preschool. She has since been diagnosed with Autism and a significant learning disability and is not in mainstream education. My child's needs were significant enough to warrant a specialist nursery place but 'surprise surprise' there wasn't one available for her. St Ambrose gave her her preschool education and were amazing with her. They allowed her to come in before the other children to help her settle and accommodated her in so many other ways. I never once doubted the safety and care of my children during their time at preschool. I disagree totally that St Ambrose Preschool is inadequate. Far from it! I will seriously struggle to find anything half as good as it! I really hope it can be saved. Gruffalomumma
  • Score: 22

11:43pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Accompanist says...

Kate and Ben.I think you meant to write adequate care.In fact it is more than adequate.
Kate and Ben.I think you meant to write adequate care.In fact it is more than adequate. Accompanist
  • Score: 7

7:46am Tue 21 Jan 14

Kate n Ben says...

Do forgive me I had just returned from a twelve hour work day, yes I meant st ambrose provide more than adequate care for my child
Do forgive me I had just returned from a twelve hour work day, yes I meant st ambrose provide more than adequate care for my child Kate n Ben
  • Score: 12

9:38am Tue 21 Jan 14

vassenden says...

I suggest that in the light of all the comments of shock and anger re the closure of this school , the WHOLE of the report should be made public and published in the Shuttle for all to see and for the Parents of the Children that attend the school to be able to see ALL the reasons given for closure, and then be able then to comment on them. After all, surely the Parents and children are the ones that matter. I don't think any of us have seen in black and white listed why it has to close. If after seeing ALL the reasons that Ofsted have given, it is then agreed that there are many problems, then for heaven's sake give the school a chance to put them right, no big deal surely. The support here from Parents must suggest that Ofsted have somewhere got this wrong, so come on Ofsted put your cards on the table along with also WFDC and sort this out. or are Ofsted now going to hide behind a statement of confidentiality.
I suggest that in the light of all the comments of shock and anger re the closure of this school , the WHOLE of the report should be made public and published in the Shuttle for all to see and for the Parents of the Children that attend the school to be able to see ALL the reasons given for closure, and then be able then to comment on them. After all, surely the Parents and children are the ones that matter. I don't think any of us have seen in black and white listed why it has to close. If after seeing ALL the reasons that Ofsted have given, it is then agreed that there are many problems, then for heaven's sake give the school a chance to put them right, no big deal surely. The support here from Parents must suggest that Ofsted have somewhere got this wrong, so come on Ofsted put your cards on the table along with also WFDC and sort this out. or are Ofsted now going to hide behind a statement of confidentiality. vassenden
  • Score: 6

10:31am Tue 21 Jan 14

kunuty says...

It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.
It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale. kunuty
  • Score: -14

10:42am Tue 21 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

...Or somewhere for children to get used to a school-like environment and so that parents can go to work perhaps.

Kunuty, proving once again there is a surplus of the letter "u" these days.

@Vassenden, ofsted reports are published on the ofsted website, including this one.
...Or somewhere for children to get used to a school-like environment and so that parents can go to work perhaps. Kunuty, proving once again there is a surplus of the letter "u" these days. @Vassenden, ofsted reports are published on the ofsted website, including this one. walkerno5
  • Score: 8

11:47am Tue 21 Jan 14

Gruffalomumma says...

Many of us have read the Ofsted report for ourselves. We have experienced the preschool first hand and seen how amazing it is. Why is it that one person can come in and have so much power? We parents feel our opinions and the facts have not been taken into account. We have set up a Facebook page as a means of consolidating our opinions and to work together as a community to turn this decision around and save our preschool. Save St Ambrose Preschool is the name of the page.
Many of us have read the Ofsted report for ourselves. We have experienced the preschool first hand and seen how amazing it is. Why is it that one person can come in and have so much power? We parents feel our opinions and the facts have not been taken into account. We have set up a Facebook page as a means of consolidating our opinions and to work together as a community to turn this decision around and save our preschool. Save St Ambrose Preschool is the name of the page. Gruffalomumma
  • Score: 15

12:29pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Tash15 says...

My daughter has attended the pre school now for a year and a half and I can honestly say that the care and attentions she receives from all the staff is amazing. She has come on leaps and bounds since moving from another nursery . I am devastated at the outcome of the ofsted report. After speaking to many of the parents I think it's safe to say we all feel that the ofsted report is completely wrong . I don't see how it can go from outstanding to inadequate , as far as i'm concerned to me it's seem the inspector was out to get them from the word go regardless. I'm just hoping and praying that something can be done to keep this amazing pre school open. I will be giving my full support to all the amazing staff
Natasha Steele
My daughter has attended the pre school now for a year and a half and I can honestly say that the care and attentions she receives from all the staff is amazing. She has come on leaps and bounds since moving from another nursery . I am devastated at the outcome of the ofsted report. After speaking to many of the parents I think it's safe to say we all feel that the ofsted report is completely wrong . I don't see how it can go from outstanding to inadequate , as far as i'm concerned to me it's seem the inspector was out to get them from the word go regardless. I'm just hoping and praying that something can be done to keep this amazing pre school open. I will be giving my full support to all the amazing staff Natasha Steele Tash15
  • Score: 17

1:13pm Tue 21 Jan 14

GGmommy says...

I dont really know the school but as a teacher reading the ofsted report some of the comments do sound odd!
The inspector mentions several times children pushing empty prams....? My son used to love pushing a pram but wasnt overly bothered about the baby - he doesn't seem mentally scarred from this!? There is also a comment made that one of the children said they didnt go outside if it was cold or wet....is this not best practice? I wouldn't want my small child out getting soaking wet?

Yes it sounds like there are some safeguarding issues, but as i have said I dont know the school and this strikes me as a knee jerk reaction. Surely it is much more constructive to help the pre school improve rather than just close? I would certainly be appealing and requesting some sort of discussion with Ofsted.
I dont really know the school but as a teacher reading the ofsted report some of the comments do sound odd! The inspector mentions several times children pushing empty prams....? My son used to love pushing a pram but wasnt overly bothered about the baby - he doesn't seem mentally scarred from this!? There is also a comment made that one of the children said they didnt go outside if it was cold or wet....is this not best practice? I wouldn't want my small child out getting soaking wet? Yes it sounds like there are some safeguarding issues, but as i have said I dont know the school and this strikes me as a knee jerk reaction. Surely it is much more constructive to help the pre school improve rather than just close? I would certainly be appealing and requesting some sort of discussion with Ofsted. GGmommy
  • Score: 12

1:40pm Tue 21 Jan 14

ellbenn says...

My son attended pre-school at St. Ambrose years ago. He was a shy little boy and the staff worked so well with him. They would let me stay with him until he was happy for me to leave him there. His confidence grew. He also got to mix with children who he would be attending school with which I think is a great thing. I never had any problems with the staff or what they were teaching the children. As for the comment made by "Kunuty" I can assure you I never used pre-school as a baby sitting service so that I could go and drink ale. I used it for my son's benefit and so that I could go to work!!!!!!!
My son attended pre-school at St. Ambrose years ago. He was a shy little boy and the staff worked so well with him. They would let me stay with him until he was happy for me to leave him there. His confidence grew. He also got to mix with children who he would be attending school with which I think is a great thing. I never had any problems with the staff or what they were teaching the children. As for the comment made by "Kunuty" I can assure you I never used pre-school as a baby sitting service so that I could go and drink ale. I used it for my son's benefit and so that I could go to work!!!!!!! ellbenn
  • Score: 11

1:48pm Tue 21 Jan 14

kunuty says...

walkerno5 wrote:
...Or somewhere for children to get used to a school-like environment and so that parents can go to work perhaps.

Kunuty, proving once again there is a surplus of the letter "u" these days.

@Vassenden, ofsted reports are published on the ofsted website, including this one.
Why are you trying to make a swear word of my name you really are a pathetic peice of dirt. Grow up
[quote][p][bold]walkerno5[/bold] wrote: ...Or somewhere for children to get used to a school-like environment and so that parents can go to work perhaps. Kunuty, proving once again there is a surplus of the letter "u" these days. @Vassenden, ofsted reports are published on the ofsted website, including this one.[/p][/quote]Why are you trying to make a swear word of my name you really are a pathetic peice of dirt. Grow up kunuty
  • Score: -12

2:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

GGmommy says...

kunuty wrote:
It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.
You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???
[quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.[/p][/quote]You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare??? GGmommy
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Tue 21 Jan 14

kunuty says...

GGmommy wrote:
kunuty wrote:
It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.
You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???
So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes
[quote][p][bold]GGmommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.[/p][/quote]You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???[/p][/quote]So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes kunuty
  • Score: -9

3:08pm Tue 21 Jan 14

kunuty says...

ellbenn wrote:
My son attended pre-school at St. Ambrose years ago. He was a shy little boy and the staff worked so well with him. They would let me stay with him until he was happy for me to leave him there. His confidence grew. He also got to mix with children who he would be attending school with which I think is a great thing. I never had any problems with the staff or what they were teaching the children. As for the comment made by "Kunuty" I can assure you I never used pre-school as a baby sitting service so that I could go and drink ale. I used it for my son's benefit and so that I could go to work!!!!!!!
Just because you don't does that everybody dosent? I know people that do, and no I won't name them!
[quote][p][bold]ellbenn[/bold] wrote: My son attended pre-school at St. Ambrose years ago. He was a shy little boy and the staff worked so well with him. They would let me stay with him until he was happy for me to leave him there. His confidence grew. He also got to mix with children who he would be attending school with which I think is a great thing. I never had any problems with the staff or what they were teaching the children. As for the comment made by "Kunuty" I can assure you I never used pre-school as a baby sitting service so that I could go and drink ale. I used it for my son's benefit and so that I could go to work!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Just because you don't does that everybody dosent? I know people that do, and no I won't name them! kunuty
  • Score: -10

3:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Gruffalomumma says...

The real issue here is that a perfectly good preschool is having to shut it's doors. This is a result of what a great many people believe to be a Ofsted inspection which in itself was flawed! The preschool has had it's funding withdrawn by Worcester County Council as a result of this Ofsted report and is having to shut as it can't afford to stay open. 7 people are to lose their jobs and 39 little children will be having to leave a lovely caring and safe environment! This is a crucial time for pre-schoolers and the links the preschool has with the neighbouring primary school and the preparation it gives to the children cannot be met in another situation.
The real issue here is that a perfectly good preschool is having to shut it's doors. This is a result of what a great many people believe to be a Ofsted inspection which in itself was flawed! The preschool has had it's funding withdrawn by Worcester County Council as a result of this Ofsted report and is having to shut as it can't afford to stay open. 7 people are to lose their jobs and 39 little children will be having to leave a lovely caring and safe environment! This is a crucial time for pre-schoolers and the links the preschool has with the neighbouring primary school and the preparation it gives to the children cannot be met in another situation. Gruffalomumma
  • Score: 13

4:53pm Tue 21 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

"Why are you trying to make a swear word of my name you really are a pathetic peice of dirt."

Well if the cap fits. So to speak.

How do you know I wasn't comparing you with the great Viking conqueror, King Knut?

"Grow up"

I'm generally quite polite, so I insist that you go first.
"Why are you trying to make a swear word of my name you really are a pathetic peice of dirt." Well if the cap fits. So to speak. How do you know I wasn't comparing you with the great Viking conqueror, King Knut? "Grow up" I'm generally quite polite, so I insist that you go first. walkerno5
  • Score: 10

7:23pm Tue 21 Jan 14

amyreynolds says...

an appeal against the ofsted inspector wont work as she had somebody higher than her with her- normally they stay and watch a fully day, however they only stayed a couple of hrs and in that time they did their paperwork! how much time did they observe for? also had they actually used their eyes in the reception area is a picture of children playing outside in the rain..... need i say more!
an appeal against the ofsted inspector wont work as she had somebody higher than her with her- normally they stay and watch a fully day, however they only stayed a couple of hrs and in that time they did their paperwork! how much time did they observe for? also had they actually used their eyes in the reception area is a picture of children playing outside in the rain..... need i say more! amyreynolds
  • Score: 12

8:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

GGmommy says...

kunuty wrote:
GGmommy wrote:
kunuty wrote:
It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.
You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???
So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes
Wow you have issues! You have my sympathy if you view the world with such negativity!

Oh and it doesnt take a genius to see from my user name that i am probably not a "fella"

The debate is whether this is a fair assessment of the pre school, back on track please unless you have nothing informed to comment on!
[quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGmommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.[/p][/quote]You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???[/p][/quote]So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes[/p][/quote]Wow you have issues! You have my sympathy if you view the world with such negativity! Oh and it doesnt take a genius to see from my user name that i am probably not a "fella" The debate is whether this is a fair assessment of the pre school, back on track please unless you have nothing informed to comment on! GGmommy
  • Score: 2

9:31pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Accompanist says...

In the Ofsted report which can be read online it states that the pre-school has 6 months from the date of the inspection to improve.That takes us to May.However as Worcestershire County Council has withdrawn funding it is unable to continue and reach that target.Does this seem fair to you?Nor me.
In the Ofsted report which can be read online it states that the pre-school has 6 months from the date of the inspection to improve.That takes us to May.However as Worcestershire County Council has withdrawn funding it is unable to continue and reach that target.Does this seem fair to you?Nor me. Accompanist
  • Score: 7

9:59pm Tue 21 Jan 14

DOEPUBLIC says...

I repeat my point above in a different way. Where is the statement from Worcestershire County Council on this matter? Or any one in authority apart from the school?
I repeat my point above in a different way. Where is the statement from Worcestershire County Council on this matter? Or any one in authority apart from the school? DOEPUBLIC
  • Score: 4

11:19am Wed 22 Jan 14

kunuty says...

walkerno5 wrote:
"Why are you trying to make a swear word of my name you really are a pathetic peice of dirt."

Well if the cap fits. So to speak.

How do you know I wasn't comparing you with the great Viking conqueror, King Knut?

"Grow up"

I'm generally quite polite, so I insist that you go first.
Think you've put an l instead of a n in you name but I doubt others do,
Sad prat
[quote][p][bold]walkerno5[/bold] wrote: "Why are you trying to make a swear word of my name you really are a pathetic peice of dirt." Well if the cap fits. So to speak. How do you know I wasn't comparing you with the great Viking conqueror, King Knut? "Grow up" I'm generally quite polite, so I insist that you go first.[/p][/quote]Think you've put an l instead of a n in you name but I doubt others do, Sad prat kunuty
  • Score: -6

11:20am Wed 22 Jan 14

kunuty says...

GGmommy wrote:
kunuty wrote:
GGmommy wrote:
kunuty wrote:
It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.
You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???
So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes
Wow you have issues! You have my sympathy if you view the world with such negativity!

Oh and it doesnt take a genius to see from my user name that i am probably not a "fella"

The debate is whether this is a fair assessment of the pre school, back on track please unless you have nothing informed to comment on!
Who are you the forum police grow up fella
[quote][p][bold]GGmommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGmommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.[/p][/quote]You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???[/p][/quote]So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes[/p][/quote]Wow you have issues! You have my sympathy if you view the world with such negativity! Oh and it doesnt take a genius to see from my user name that i am probably not a "fella" The debate is whether this is a fair assessment of the pre school, back on track please unless you have nothing informed to comment on![/p][/quote]Who are you the forum police grow up fella kunuty
  • Score: -4

12:09pm Wed 22 Jan 14

SUE HANCOX says...

Both of my girls attended St Ambrose Pre-School and have flourished. They were both very shy and the staff gave them both confidence. If the pre-school has been given 6 months to improve (which it does not need to) how can it have the chance if funding is being withdrawn. It is the only Catholic school in the area and the staff even take out the extra time to help the children to filter into mainstream school. It will be a great loss and a great shame if the pre-school is to close.

As for the comment by Kunuty - don't judge other people by your own standards!
Both of my girls attended St Ambrose Pre-School and have flourished. They were both very shy and the staff gave them both confidence. If the pre-school has been given 6 months to improve (which it does not need to) how can it have the chance if funding is being withdrawn. It is the only Catholic school in the area and the staff even take out the extra time to help the children to filter into mainstream school. It will be a great loss and a great shame if the pre-school is to close. As for the comment by Kunuty - don't judge other people by your own standards! SUE HANCOX
  • Score: 6

4:14pm Wed 22 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

Kunuty, I'm proud of it.

To be honest it's a case of if you've got the best horn in town why would you only let other people play on it?
Kunuty, I'm proud of it. To be honest it's a case of if you've got the best horn in town why would you only let other people play on it? walkerno5
  • Score: 2

4:20pm Wed 22 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

Sue, perhaps you might address my seemingly reasonable opening question which provoked a strong defensive reaction; why does this bit "It is the only Catholic school in the area " matter at a pre-school level? Do they actually do any religious instruction at pre-school?
Sue, perhaps you might address my seemingly reasonable opening question which provoked a strong defensive reaction; why does this bit "It is the only Catholic school in the area " matter at a pre-school level? Do they actually do any religious instruction at pre-school? walkerno5
  • Score: 2

5:31pm Wed 22 Jan 14

kunuty says...

SUE HANCOX wrote:
Both of my girls attended St Ambrose Pre-School and have flourished. They were both very shy and the staff gave them both confidence. If the pre-school has been given 6 months to improve (which it does not need to) how can it have the chance if funding is being withdrawn. It is the only Catholic school in the area and the staff even take out the extra time to help the children to filter into mainstream school. It will be a great loss and a great shame if the pre-school is to close.

As for the comment by Kunuty - don't judge other people by your own standards!
hanCOX lol
[quote][p][bold]SUE HANCOX[/bold] wrote: Both of my girls attended St Ambrose Pre-School and have flourished. They were both very shy and the staff gave them both confidence. If the pre-school has been given 6 months to improve (which it does not need to) how can it have the chance if funding is being withdrawn. It is the only Catholic school in the area and the staff even take out the extra time to help the children to filter into mainstream school. It will be a great loss and a great shame if the pre-school is to close. As for the comment by Kunuty - don't judge other people by your own standards![/p][/quote]hanCOX lol kunuty
  • Score: -2

7:17pm Wed 22 Jan 14

DOEPUBLIC says...

Sad, to see the lack of comment from WCC or councillors with regard the duty and care of staff, children and parent's in response to this report.
Sad, to see the lack of comment from WCC or councillors with regard the duty and care of staff, children and parent's in response to this report. DOEPUBLIC
  • Score: 4

7:59pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wendalyn says...

In answer to Walkerno5, St Ambrose Preschool is not a Roman Catholic Preschool. It is registered as a community Preschool which welcomes all denominations and children from any type of background. Having said that the majority of children then go on to St Ambrose's Primary school, so the majority of children attending are baptised R. Catholic, but many also go to St George's, St Mary's and a variety of schools. Over time the Preschool has welcomed children from a variety of religious or non religious backgounds. The children, their progress, and happiness are important not their origins.
In answer to Walkerno5, St Ambrose Preschool is not a Roman Catholic Preschool. It is registered as a community Preschool which welcomes all denominations and children from any type of background. Having said that the majority of children then go on to St Ambrose's Primary school, so the majority of children attending are baptised R. Catholic, but many also go to St George's, St Mary's and a variety of schools. Over time the Preschool has welcomed children from a variety of religious or non religious backgounds. The children, their progress, and happiness are important not their origins. wendalyn
  • Score: 4

8:12pm Wed 22 Jan 14

DOEPUBLIC says...

Maybe of help
http://www.ombudsman
.org.uk/improving-pu
blic-service/ombudsm
ansprinciples
Maybe of help http://www.ombudsman .org.uk/improving-pu blic-service/ombudsm ansprinciples DOEPUBLIC
  • Score: 2

10:09pm Wed 22 Jan 14

walkerno5 says...

Thank you Wendalyn. Does that mean the quotes in the article and some posts complaining that this is the loss of the only Roman Catholic pre-school in town are at least worrying about one element of this that doesn't matter?
Thank you Wendalyn. Does that mean the quotes in the article and some posts complaining that this is the loss of the only Roman Catholic pre-school in town are at least worrying about one element of this that doesn't matter? walkerno5
  • Score: 1

11:54pm Wed 22 Jan 14

wendalyn says...

Not really because the Preschool is the main feeder for St Ambrose's R. catholic school, and is in the school grounds. So is therefore very important to the R. Catholic community, and to the future success of the school. It was set up by Parishioners originally and most of the staff are R. Catholic. So it is essential to the future of St Ambrose's school, while also being an important part of the whole local community.
Not really because the Preschool is the main feeder for St Ambrose's R. catholic school, and is in the school grounds. So is therefore very important to the R. Catholic community, and to the future success of the school. It was set up by Parishioners originally and most of the staff are R. Catholic. So it is essential to the future of St Ambrose's school, while also being an important part of the whole local community. wendalyn
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Thu 23 Jan 14

amyreynolds says...

kunuty wrote:
GGmommy wrote:
kunuty wrote:
It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.
You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???
So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes
either you dont have children, or you obviously dont spend enough time with your children to know that most children thrive from socialising in a group their own age, also they learn though play and new experiences, as a parent you put your childs and familys needs 1st, obviously you wont ever be sending ur children to any type of nursery after this comment- good luck to you is what i say and lets just hope one day you dont wear your tail between your legs!
[quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGmommy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kunuty[/bold] wrote: It's a posh name for a baby sitting service so single parents (usually) can go on the ale.[/p][/quote]You are asking for comments to come at you when you make such daft sweeping remarks like this? What sort of suggestions are you making about people that need to get to work and need childcare???[/p][/quote]So none of them go to the penny black drinking? Grow up fella yo really are naive , open your eyes[/p][/quote]either you dont have children, or you obviously dont spend enough time with your children to know that most children thrive from socialising in a group their own age, also they learn though play and new experiences, as a parent you put your childs and familys needs 1st, obviously you wont ever be sending ur children to any type of nursery after this comment- good luck to you is what i say and lets just hope one day you dont wear your tail between your legs! amyreynolds
  • Score: 3

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